George Floyd copper

Got a feeling this is going to become a horrible mess over the next few weeks. This is fueld by the media, and the decisions that are being made by corporations, that are taking anything down that may have ever offended someone.

As much as black people are annoyed about what happened in America, there are white people who are particularly annoyed at being accused that they are racist, due to history.

Dont get me wrong, what happened to the guy is terrible. But let's not forget we do not see that type of behaviour in the uk... I believe that they are actually protesting the inequality here.

I would never judge someone on the colour of their skin.

The problem stems to more than white or black. It's the society you live in, and the opportunities you are afforded.

Rich family = private education and better opportunities.
Poor family = public education and less oportunities.
There are more white families in the UK with wealth, therefore more white people are brought up in wealthy areas and given better oportunities.

Honestly dont know how this is going to change in our generation.

 

The protester interviewed by sky stated they were protesting against police killing black people on the streets. Fact is that doesn't happen as the only black person killed by police last year was a terrorist in the midst of committing a terror offence. So in essence, they're protesting against something that simply doesn't exist.

 

Maybe the protesters should have a go at pulling this place of death down thousands of slaves had to fit each other for the pleasure of the Roman Empire.

 

white privillage not so long ago in the UK .

 

This is exactly the kind of crappy argument I was talking about that just attempts to polarise things further.

If you can’t see any difference between a building of historical and architectural interest, and a monument to someone, then I can’t help.

 

As I said above, literally nobody apart from tv execs wanted those shows cancelled. Media whipping up a culture war as usual.

 

white privilege isn't a monetary term. will that child have had to be grown up being called names like coon, wog, etc? will they have had to change their name to something more English sounding to get a job? will they receive undue attention from the police regardless of whether they're a criminal? no, of course not. and that is what white privilege is, its nothing to do with being financially well off at all.

 

So a building built using slave labour is less offensive than a statue? I dont get it.

By the way, again, I think the media has a lot to answer for with this, as with coronavirus reporting. They are trying to whip up both sides into a frenzy.... all white people should be ashamed of their white privilege. I'm not having it.

 

They’re completely different, there is no comparison.

Offence has to be one of the worst words of the twenty first century for poisoning debate and reason. Appropriate is a far better word for this context. Whether a statue is appropriate and whether the Colosseum is appropriate are two completely obviously different questions.

 

This is entirely relevent to the debate , this is reality of life in the 60s 70s , not by reading about it, but by actually living it . Many of my friends lived in conditions like this , they went to schools alongside black and asian kids , we grew up together , we went to school together we played in the same football and cricket teams together , my dad used to work over 100 hours a week to keep our heads above water , so did thousands of others of all race creed and colour . We didn't get a 1/4 of the chances the kids have today , all the comentators in the media and " experts " spout white privillage all the time . Today the lives of all kids are 100x better , the number of asian and black millionaires in this country is equal to white people .Pupils of asian backgrounds have better exam results than whites and blacks , the BLM campaigne is good and if that was the main point of the debate then thats fine , the fact that other much darker forces such as Antifa have got involved is doing their cause no good whatsoever . Watching the shocking pictures on TV are doing nothing but drive a very large wedge between the communities in the UK . Until all sides are willing to stop and let the voice of reason on all sides take over then this country is doomed to civil strife the likes of which have never been seen in this country , and who would actually gain from it ? it certainly wouldn't be be me or you , the stripping back of statues etc etc is totally wrong , judging how peoples lived 150/ 200 years ago then judging by how people are judged today does not equate , destroying 300 / 400 year old statues does not educate people it airbrushes history . The only way forward is to educate people not just in the UK but the world over . Not just the brutal white history but also the brutal black and asian history . I doubt you will agree but the way forward is not what is happening on the streets of the world today .

 

Remember the simpler time of just having Dominic Cummings on the news channels.

 

Perhaps build statues of him , then there would only be 1 point of focus.

 

That kid grows up and sends in a job application as John Smith. Another kid grows up in the same street, same conditions and sends in a job application as Jamal Singh. In the 70s, 80s and even 90s Singh might have struggled to get beyond the paper sift. So what advantage did the white kid have?

 

If you and everybody else are so concerned about education and history, why was there radio silence on this forum when literally hundreds of libraries were closed, and school class sizes shot up etc etc? To me those are far greater tools to educate people than a statue ever will be. Also I'll say it again, white privilege is nothing to do with money. at all.

As I tire of saying, the BLM movement doesn't want to airbrush history, they just want the full picture to be taught. A 3rd generation indian pal of mine recently informed me that his grandmother was actually killed in the bengal famine that churchill had a massive part in, so how do you think he feels when he sees monuments lionising this man everywhere? He got put in detention when he brought this up when he was at school, as did one of my other pals who brought up things like our invention of concentration camps during the boer war or the mau mau rebellion. Never heard anyone get put in detention for saying how great the empire was.

Yeah we don't teach black and asian history full stop in schools which just adds to my point.

Also antifa just hate fascism, antifa is an abbreviation of antifascist. It isn't a group, it doesnt have members, it isn't any kind of centralised organisation. They aren't taking over anything, any large grouping of people will always contain a couple of idiots who take things too far. the vast majority of protests have been peaceful yet you choose to focus on what is clearly a minority.

 

One could turn that question around rather nicely, and ask how an Englishman living in India might feel if he were to see everywhere monuments lionising Sultan Tipu, a ruler who may well have seen to the death of one of that Englishman's ancestors. (Mysore, not Bengal, the region for my example, but the point holds.) Churchill is one of the undisputed great men for the UK, in City terms a Bobby or Stuart or Ces. Sultan Tipu was equally a great man in Mysore. But if we start making lists of plusses and minusses, we will see that both men had their flaws. Still, monuments to each are appropriate in their own countries. Both your actual Indian, and my hypothetical Englishman, will have to accept that, or forever remain outsiders.

RCB

 

My mate was born here though so he is as English as the rest of us, so for me its daft to call him an outsider although I do apologise as I didn't articulate that properly in my original post. I should have said of Indian heritage. Given our multicultural society, there will doubtless be a lot of people who were born here who's ancestral heritage was one of being oppressed by the Empire, so to me I think there is certainly a debate to be had about how we view and venerate certain historical figures given the changing makeup of our society.

 

Yet the names Patel and Sunak didn't stop two hard working, talented people, securing two of the most senior positions in our Government