George Floyd copper

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/remove-the-edward-colston-statue-from-bristol-city-centre?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1591119305&utm_campaign&utm_source=facebook&share=d20ed235-f13a-4959-a06a-fd99dd9d7e94&fbclid=IwAR20VPeTfcewycIMCIkFNPc_W2Sy9VVNbHncGA352K1KpEmppi-y7FUV7iA

This was an effort, a petition with 11k signatures to it. It's an excuse to be lawless and it suits their current narrative, where were they all when the petition was originally raised? Or is it because they've found a bandwagon for their hatred and jumped right on it?

 

I should be but I'm not due to working hard to get it.

 

More concerning behaviour than what? Desecrating war memorials and a statue of Churchill? Assaulting police officers? Rioting, looting etc. Is that not concerning enough? The churchill statue is encased in a concrete block, as is the war memorial on Whitehall. If they could have been toppled easily, I'd wager they would have been.

Identity politics, SJW chaos brought to bear. This is what happens when the left goes too far.

 

You are kidding I wouldn't let that lunatic lead a goldfish round a bowl.
Never mind touching mi wheelz

 

The humour on here is better than all the daft politics bollox of which nobody takes any notice of, we'll never change the minds of those that disagree with us anyway....

 

The vast majority wouldn't have even heard the name Edward Colston as with yourself I was not aware of him or his exploits in slave trading , his statue was erected with regards his philanthropy back in his time, it was 1662 how long do people pay for the sins of the forefathers back in 1662 ?.

One onlooker saying : the Police idly watched as it was thrown in the water.

 

We can only judge this government and this government has been extremely weak! It's failed the country!

 

Rubbish cars.

 

Honestly? I think we’ve got more pressing jumping off points than some paint on a statue and speculating on the possibility of what could have happened were said statue moored less securely. I find it mildly problematic, but realistically I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I think it’s being escalated to make a point. And the more people kick off at these things, the worse it’s going to get.

Assaulting police officers and looting? Of course, I’m happy to condemn that in the strongest of terms - and I think everybody should. But they’re not the same thing as the above. I sincerely hope the guy who threw the bike at a police horse, among others, and people throwing things at the police, are arrested and prosecuted.

I get a sense from a lot of people (and I’m not including yourself, for clarity, as I’m certain you’re discussing this in good faith) that they’re just begging for the rioters to do something catastrophically dumb to give them the fuel to kick off. I saw on Twitter a group of football lads from Plymouth today ‘guarding’ a war memorial statue. What is the point of doing this if you weren’t ultimately after a bit of a scrap? Can well imagine they’d be disappointed to go home empty handed. You can say the same thing about a lot of the self-appointed militias guarding US protests too, they’re just gagging for a scrap.

 

I dont think it's as dismissive as paint on a statue. It's a gesture that speaks to the hatred and loathing of this country by those who are rioting. I think theres something about the point of those lads in plymouth making their own cheap pitch for social media 'fame', but these memorials are a testament to the proudest period of our history - where this nation, and others, stood AGAINST fascism and racism in order to preserve our freedoms. The desecration we've seen is about more than just a coat of paint that can be cleaned, its about the mentality and venom, the division that exists right now. And it's a division that the SJW frenzy is making worse.

 

Desecrating the monument to the brave people who gave their lives to give them the freedoms they enjoy including the right to free speech and to demonstrate, You could not make it up,

 

How far will this crap be allowed to go ? ( no not this thread ) but the actual government ? I can see the situation escalating , the vast majority in this country are level headed and keep an open mind , but i can also see groups being raised to " protect " memorials and points of other national importance . The fact the Police are standing back and letting it happen annoys me . i wonder what would happen if there was a major clash at 1 of these memorials ? . The government as got to stop it now by force if required , because if they dont it could errupt into major civil disturbences . I've noticed on a lot of websites calling for " volunteers " to form protection areas around statues etc . Like some 1 said earlier armed vigilanties are taking to the streets in Major USA cities , i for 1 dont want to see it happen here , but it could minus the weapons .

 

I think there was an inevitability to where this scenario has ended up. What started as a protest against the needless death of an unarmed man incapable of defending himself turns into the divide and conquer situation that politicians love. As Hoochy alluded to, while the minnions at the bottom fight over who's got the moral right to be more offended, the ones at the top know their subtle work is done. People burning down their own communities, slogans daubed on war memorials, short term thinking that does little to change the lives of those affected in the long term.

 

I think you’re right. I didn’t see it turning out quite like this, but I should have because, as you say, it was completely inevitable.

People end up getting suckered in to defending these narratives in the beginning in perfectly good faith, and they just get warped out of all perspective to the end that the point you were originally arguing bears little resemblance to the one you end up having to defend.

C.S Lewis wrote this in 1942, and it’s just as prescient today as it was then:

“Your patient must demand that all his own utterances are to be taken at their face value and judged simply on the actual words, while at the same time judging all his mother’s utterances with the fullest and most oversensitive interpretation of the tone and the context and the suspected intention. She must be encouraged to do the same to him. Hence from every quarrel they can both go away convinced, or very nearly convinced, that they are quite innocent. You know the kind of thing: “I simply ask her what time dinner will be and she flies into a temper.” Once this habit is well established you have the delightful situation of a human saying things with the express purpose of offending and yet having agrievance when offence is taken.”

 

These days, if you say you're English, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.