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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Aaron Baker

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    In that case though why have the number of A* given out now basically doubled this year from last?
     
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    As I've mentioned an official study done for the Universities found only 16% were accurate. 78% were over inflated by 1 or more grade. That's a pretty big difference don't you think.

    And Unis have been moaning about predicted grades for years, so much so that before the pandemic hit they were seriously considering scrapping the process of applying BEFORE they had their grades and instead handling the whole process between getting the results and Uni starting

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51645826


    Yet once again studies have consistently found predicted grades at both A-Level and GCSE to be consistently over inflated. He may not be intentionally signing off on over inflated predictions but that is what is happening.

    And there was a provision by the way for schools like his. Schools could appeal and get them adjusted if they could show why the 5 year history being used was unfair. If there has been a marked improvement in the school there would be data to show that and he would have had a case to get the whole school adjusted

    How is it the right decision. Even via the algorithm grades had risen by around 1% above the normal rise. With going to teachers predicted grades we are looking at figures that will show almost 10 times increase on normal years. That just makes a mockery of the whole situation.

    Yes there will be some who via the algorithm fell in a situation where it is screwing them over because without exams you can't account for the outliers but that's the same in any system that the outliers get screwed over. The 10% who outperform their predicted grades even in the algorithm version were getting screwed and most likely now find themselves getting screwed more (I bet if we took last years A-Levels and did them on predicted grades not only would that 10% in a worse percentile on the algorithm than they archived but going on predicted grades only I image that percentile gets even worse
     
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  3. Hulmebantam

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    A better cohort?

    Because there is always going to be a level of error. These are predictions after all. Yes, there may be some bias (or a greater propensity for error in making predictions at the higher level as the margins are small), but the algorithm based approach has caused huge heartache and distress in the most awful of times.
     
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  4. Hulmebantam

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    I'm sorry but I've got school to prepare for. I only replied to @Tolly856@Tolly856 out of politeness.

    I haven't got the time to debate.
     
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    I can’t speak from a recent study POV, or a parent. However I am a recruiter and we would only check that person had the qualifications, not to bothered about grades as long as they pass and what year they were attained. Application form/experience/interview are the things that matter. A levels are pointless if someone has a degree, although some places may want GCSE Maths and English to Pass level. Just give them the predicted grades and move on, if they get a job over someone else I can promise it won’t be due to a teacher getting a grade wrong by a mark or two.
     
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  6. Aaron Baker

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    It might have caused heartache and distress but don't exams do that anyway? People always get results different to the ones they thought they would.

    It would be a massive coincidence if this cohort were of record breaking natural ability i would think.
     
  7. SimonW

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    So you wander in here, spout a load of shit that's disproven by statistics and then don't want to debate someone picking it apart. Real mature of you, perhaps explains why teachers get away with giving wildly inaccurate predicted grades because you think you are infallible
     
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  8. ahar964

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    That's a bit unfair. This time ten years ago Radio Leeds went to my daughter's school and she opened her results live on air......
    ......that said I was very pleased with Dido Eugenia's results
     
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  9. YungNath

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    Im doing a degree right now at the 2nd time of asking because at 18 i was more interested in being drunk! The thing is Si, to prepare adequately for an A level they absolutely do need classroom time. the workload and difficulty is significantly higher than the 1st year of a degree course. So does each individual uni then be compelled to teach these kids a level exam prep?. theres also the matter that these kids will be going all across the country in many cases and have new lives and challenges to contend with already, as many wont have lived alone for the first time etc. 1st year is easier because to me you're learning life skills in terms of living alone as an adult as much as what they teach you in the classroom. Also mate, this past year because property where I live and study is so expensive to rent including student accommodation, I've had to work 30 hrs a week on top of my course to survive. Where would someone like me fit in time to revise for another exam?
     
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    Why do they need classroom time? They only missed a month of classroom time as it is and it's not like we are talking about them having had a 5-year break between. They shouldn't need classroom time as they shouldn't have anything new to learn. You don't really do any learning after all in that last month before study leave

    I would also add that most students who would be in this situation wouldn't be in your situation, they would be using most of the 30 hours you are working doing what you did in your first time through uni, getting drunk
     
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  11. YungNath

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    March to July isnt a month is it Si? Correct me if I'm wrong but they won't be allowed to sit an identical exam in terms of content so they will have to study for a fresh exam. No what you do is exam prep, expecting people to go into an A level exam after 3-4 months of no study without any prep at all is just stupid im sorry. it creates added work and stress for literally no material benefit whatsoever.
     
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    Complete and utter nonsense and earlier you said @Hulmebantam@Hulmebantam was talking shit.

    You have just made that up.
     
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    Maybe he just doesn’t want to interact with you. Which makes sense to me.
     
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    Correct. The only kids that will lose out are the ones who's teachers vastly underestimated their predicted grades. Of my friends that did A-Levels, there was a complete contrast in grades. I had a friend that received all A*s I had other friends that struggled to get 3 C's. All went to university, if they so desired, and all are doing more than fine now. Mainly because of the points listed by Wilsden.
     
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  15. SimonW

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    Where have you got July from?

    GCSE's generally start late May. A-Levels Early June. Study leave for both usually starts near the start in May. So they lost April.

    And on sitting an identical exam. First of all as long as the master exam is still stored securely there is no reason it can't be used. Even if its not there is no reason it has to be on whole new content, different questions but you aren't suddenly going to need to change a history exam from WW1 to The Tudors.

    And do you not see the major problem with the education system today. We are so concerned with getting more and more people qualifications and better ones that people are incapable of taking an exam unless they have basically been told whats on it before hand. You shouldn't need guided through an exam, you should know what is on the curriculum and what you have been taught and you go in the exam and it could be on anything. Yes its alot of info to remember in alot of subjects and tbh I would be in favour of not having a final exam but having exams at the end of each module which not only takes some pressure off but actually allows for better predictions of the final results which is good for college and uni acceptance process and also good for situations like this or at the very least maybe looking at semi-open book exams where you are allowed 1 double sided A4 sheet of notes. Semi open book allows for less guided study, the exams can be on anything in the syllabus but it doesn't leave the student needing to remember every little detail of everything they studied. Putting useful notes together is a skill and actually benefits those who put in effort which exams themselves don't really reward enough

    How deluded are you. If you are a C level student no matter how much work you put in you are never going to be an A* Level student. There are people who can put in very little effort and still get top level grades as they are just naturally bright and retain and understand knowledge better than others

    What because you know i'm right you utter tool. The stats show that you cant predict grades for shit. You either intentionally get them wrong or predicting grades is just nigh on impossible to be accurate. Either way using teachers predicted grades without any kind of adjustment is just boneheaded. As I said Uni's have been complaining about your ability to predict grades for years which is why they were seriously considering moving to only giving out places AFTER the exams were done despite that meaning there is a serious time crunch. But no you want to act like teachers are infallible and its only a small percentage of predictions they get wrong which is just being dishonest. And then you can't even have the decency to engage in a discussion. Wouldn't even been as bad if you had just not replied but no you had to post about how you wouldn't reply
     
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    I don't think it's mollycoddling students to not make them retake an exam because of a once in 100 years global pandemic. it would be penalising them for something they had absolutely no influence in happening which regardless of how predicted grades arent perfect, is not really a just way to handle things
     
  17. SimonW

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    At no point have I said they should be forced to retake them though (Well take them). I said they should just null and void them but allow the predicted to be used for admission purposes. And then give them the choice to take them if they wish. If they are confident in getting their degree then there is absolutely no need for them to take them but if they aren't going further with their education or they want a safety net then the option is there to get them in as fair a manner as is possible.

    And you seem to be picking bits out of my replies and taking them out of context. My point was that you are claiming they need basically walked through the exam before hand to be able to take it which is a serious problem. It shows less concern about ensuring we get the best possible young people possible and more about having the figures to crow about what a great job the school system is doing.
     
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  18. Keefly Bantam

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    So you have changed your tune. You never alluded to existing intelligence just effort put in.

    Beep beep @simons (woking bantam)@simons (woking bantam) reversing.
     
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  19. SimonW

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    Where did I say anything about effort? You are the one who raised the idea of effort
     
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    Rarely agree with you but on this occasion you are spot on.
     
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