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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Aaron Baker

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    Really do feel sorry for anybody going through the stress of exam results this year.

    Another imperfect scenario brought about by the covid disruption. Of course there will be individual students who feel like they've got less than they think they deserve but with the overall grades going up nationally I'm not sure what the answer is.

    There are people saying that the kids should have got the exact results predicted by the teachers so to be simplifying a simple process and would create unfairness from kids in previous years. Not an easy situation at all.
     
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  2. trevor

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    It is a crazy system doomed to failure, only the eggheads in the dept of education could not see its obvious failings, At least the Scottish politicians saw the huge mess the civil servants had created and took ownership and changed it to bring some sanity,
     
  3. Frank Castle

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    There's no way to do it that will be fair to everyone. As the OP said, there is no answer. Some will benefit from it, some will not.

    There's far too much bias involved in basing it purely on teachers predicted grades in my opinion though which is how the Scots have done it.
     
  4. trevor

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    So if you get 80% right in a Basildon school you get an A+ , but get 80% right in a Bradford school you get a B, Adjusted for previous results for the school and area, Nonsense
     
  5. Aaron Baker

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    Apart from nobody got 80% because nobody sat the exams?
     
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  6. trevor

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    The teacher made the awards but the nonsense of your schools previous exam results determining your final result is not fair
     
  7. Aaron Baker

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    But they didn't get 80% yeah?

    I'm not quite sure it is nonsense. Its not ideal but nothing in this situation is.

    Even with the grades being adjusted downwards the results are still better than last year if they had just given everyone what the teachers guessed it would have looked nonsensical. Grades are adjusted every year so that they basically fit the "curve"

    If a school has got say 10-15 A grade pupils for the last 5 years but suddenly have 30-40 it would equally have looked ridiculous. As would if the national percentage of each grade was massively different to previous years. It so difficult to balance everything.
     
  8. trevor

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    So just Coincidence that those in poor areas and schools appear to get the worst downgrades
     
  9. Aaron Baker

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    Well it looks like they're the schools where the teachers have overestimated the most, but not the only ones.
     
  10. Frank Castle

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    No coincidence at all. Those schools tend to not be as good, they don't attract the best teachers and so many pupils often under-achieve.

    What about all those kids who do great during the school year but really struggle with exams? Those who suffer with anxiety and can't take the pressure of exams? These kids will benefit massively from all this.
     
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    Rubbish! Socio-economic factors are by far the greatest barrier these children face.
     
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  12. Storck

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    no, it is the schools that have predicted much higher results than previous years. Maybe this years A-Level students are just a lot brighter than previous years, or the teachers have just predicted too high
     
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    Agree. Sitting my O levels (in my case) or GCSE's nowadays was a sort of coming of age.

    My son has had this taken from him.

    I feel really sorry that he has had the chance to show what he is capable of under the exam situation pressure taken away from him.

    We are already planning his A levels.

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    Nothing’s ideal, absolutely, and I don’t what the answer is. But factoring in a schools previous years performance is lunacy, it gives nothing to individual performance and punishes high performing pupils..Your bright kid goes to a poor performing school, but gets their grades downgraded because it’s not deemed possible to get good grades at said school..Nah, it’s not right, it needs sorting.
     
  15. trevor

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    Headteacher on Newsnight " In 2015 we had a pupil who only got a U in the exams, Under the rules we have to abide by we have had to pick a pupil to give a U to even though the least any pupil got was a D, I cannot explain how difficult it is to downgrade hard working students based on results up to 5 years ago"
     
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    The problem is without the adjustment its massively open for abuse. Even without the potential for abuse only 16% of predicted grades turn out to be accurate and when when a margin of error is applied only 42% were found to be within that, 48% were overly optimistic and 10% too pessimistic.

    And its not like over the 5 year period that's being considered schools suddenly have a massive swing so taking these years into account and adjusting them does make sense. Schools are able to appeal across the board if there is circumstances that they can show such as maybe a single bad year for some reason or perhaps they can show evidence of improvement which makes the first couple of years being used unfair.

    I would imagine as well that those worse schools have more to gain from lets say being more optimistic than the better schools as there is probably more potential to gain at the lower end than the top

    You also have to spare a thought for everyone who took exams in previous years and those in future years. The pass rate rises by around 2% each year roughly, even with the downgrading in Scotland it was around 4% and now without it its almost 11%. So kids from previous and future years are now going to have to compete with people who have results that are around 8-9% inflated which potentially puts them at a massive disadvantage despite potentially being better. Mind you I can perhaps see it ending up being reversed and anyone using 2020 exam results to get a place on a course or a job having the person looking at their application basically write their qualifications off as being meaningless
     
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  17. trevor

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    It should be amended to 3 years, This is a mess and shoots the whole country in the foot for coming years
     
  18. Storck

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    They should just offer anyone that isn’t happy the option of doing an exam September 1st. Get them marked, checked etc Within a week. New results September 7th.
     
  19. SimonW

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    Why? If anything 3 years makes things worse because a single year has way more impact. if anything having more data points would make more sense not less. Single abnormal years have less impact and it gives more years for schools to show progression so as to appeal
     
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    People would do that and then complain it was unfair when they didn't do as well as they wanted as they hadn't had time to prepare correctly
     
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