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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Aaron Baker, Aug 13, 2020.

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  1. SimonW

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    They have been all over the news on the last week. I think the main problem is two fold

    1) Teachers are under pressure both to show a improving predicted grades and actual grades

    2) Class room performance doesn’t means good exam performance. Even mock/practice exams aren’t the same as it’s different pressures
     
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  2. Aaron Baker

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    Well its not. Man Utd would aspire to win the league next year but that's not a prediction.

    Like in that story it depends how reliable the prediction is. I'd kind of assumed the predictions were like 80-90% accurate but looking at some of the stats on here it seems like they're the best possible outcome rather than an actual concrete prediction.
     
    #42 Aaron Baker, Aug 15, 2020
  3. SimonW

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    I'm not sure I believe some of these people. Going from a A to U is a 5 grade drop. Either the whole class was predicted an A or above which is just the teacher trying to pull a fast one (even at GCSE level when I was at school and we were split into sets we weren’t all predicted A's in top set, it was A to C's) OR she is talking bullshit and wasn't predicted A and A*s
     
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  4. Aaron Baker

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    We have stories like this.

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18652738.fury-student-sees-grade-go-c-u/

    What I'd love to know is how it compared to the previous years. If every other year hasn't got 2/3 of the class getting a U and the highest mark being a C then the algorithm is wrong.

    If that is the general outcome though the teacher is clearly just taking the piss by dishing out predictions of As and Bd and setting the kids up to be disappointed.
     
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    I'm not a secondary school teacher so I can't speak for them but as I said earlier, pupils are tracked year in, year out, so they should be a reasonably accurate picture.

    However, I think for most subjects coursework carries a proportion of the overall mark with the final exam(s) having the most weighting towards it. The teachers don't know what will be in the exam or how it will be presented. There is also the pressure of the exam for the child to contend with.

    That's no different to other years though so you'd imagine that some conclusions could be found from the years of data we have .

    Seems that brighter kids from Shit Street will get crapped on but less academic kids from Lovely Land will get a leg up.
     
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    My brother lived in Laindon Hills, fortunately by one means or another we managed to get my nephew & niece into Coopers @ Upminster. Tough having to travel, but so worth it.
     
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  7. SimonW

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    Oh come on they have a pretty decent idea of what will be in an exam, even when I took my GCSE's and A-levels in the 90's we were almost walked through the exams. They would put extra focus on areas of the subject they knew would be in it and put little focus on bits they know won't be. One of my science teachers even told us in some lessons 'I have to teach this because its on the curriculum but it won't be in the exam and even if you take science at college or uni you won't need to know it so don't bother taking notes or trying to remember any of it'. And the month or so before study leave exam prep is all you do with mock exams which while not having the exact questions were pretty much always on the areas that would be in the exam and recap sessions again on those same areas

    It's one of the big problems in schooling imho as its become solely about getting better results not ensuring kids have a wide understanding of subjects. If the marks go up each year the Government like that as they can say 'what a good job we are doing' and the schools are so worried about the league tables that they are happy to be part of it. It's just like this obsession Blair started with the ideal of every kid should goto uni which led to an influx of almost pointless degrees just to get more people into uni at the expense of things like apprenticeships and on the job training which for some people would be a better option
     
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    The farce continues. Appeal process details released and then withdrawn within hours
     
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    Starting to think they should just give everybody A* and have done with it.
     
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    Alternatively cancel the whole year and start again
     
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    At common sense prevails.

    The government should get a U for the way they have handled this.
     
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    Another government u-turn. Must be a new record
     
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    How is common sense prevailing? We now have all these students who got grades they don't actually deserve. They have now screwed over everyone who has got qualifications in the past and in the future because now they are devalued.

    If it was me I would say 'Fine you can have these grades to get into Uni' but beyond that, your qualification is null and void. if you want the actual qualification you will have to retake it as soon as its possible
     
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    What an amazing school year this has been, results up by 15-20% the kids must be so much better than last years, let’s hope next years can live up to it.
     
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    I guess you think all teachers are liars? @Hoochy-Min@Hoochy-Min how do you feel about that?
    You are actually blaming the students for "screwing over everyone". How the feck have they done that?
    Which of the students are going to get the grades they don't deserve?
     
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    Source?
     
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    for what the amazing increase or the intelligence of this years students ?
     
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    Really interested to see the national and school-by-school statistics now.

    No doubt this is better for the individuals but if basically everyone has passed it's going to be largely meaningless.
     
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    Teachers have ridiculous pressure in England to make sure that this year's cohort beats last years cohort. It's ridiculous because a cohort can be so variable. A rolling 5 year mean average might be sensible showing improvement but that's unsustainable.

    This is a balls up from the top but I'm not sure if it will make too much difference overall. If people go to uni and get the degree then they definitely deserve it because they're not a walk in the park.
     
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    #59 Hoochy-Min, Aug 17, 2020
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    We trust teachers with our children's education and care, We should trust their judgement on the standards attained by the students, The teachers know them well and should be trusted in the absence of examinations
     
    #60 trevor, Aug 17, 2020
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