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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. XCIV_Bantam

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    yes. its why most of them are given out at school age. also bare in mind none of them are endemic in the uk. wonder why?
     
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    That is a different discussion. I was giving them as examples of others that could be classed as experimental using the definition given
     
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    Which take us back to the flu vaccine and why the current roll out is only for the high risk.
     
  4. XCIV_Bantam

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    Well it was pretty clear. I was asking why for one virus we only need to vaccinate those at high risk, and for another virus we need everyone to be vaccinated.
    as i have touched on earlier way less people are in hospital with flu. to repeat myself again COVID IS WORSE THAN THE FLU. it is more virulent, it is harder to track (no asymptomatic flu cases), leads to more hospitalisations and deaths.

    Have vaccines changed in the last 18 months, does my vaccine not work if everyone I am around has had to same vaccine. If that is the case then why are vaccines not mandatory?
    i don't really understand this line of questioning, everyone needs to be vaccinated not just you? there isnt a vaccination scheme that requires just the one person being vaccinated that really makes no sense. it would have been mandatory if the take up was very poor.

    You still haven't come up with anything to suggest why Covid Passports should be implemented rather than it's better than nothing. Well not hugging family members is a restriction that would reduce transmission, it's better than nothing.

    "i think you forget to realise, if you KNOWNLY fake a test you are LIABLE to be fined or sent to prison" How does that work? A test is thrown away seconds after it is used (or not) How could this ever be proven. Do you think the person you are happy to ban going to a football game and be made a second class citizen gives a shit about registering a test as negative? The exploit is so massive and can't be proven it completely negates the entire passport.

    If you don't pay your taxes, drive without insurance you can be easily proven to have committed a crime, if you register a test as negative, you aren't going to have the flying squad smashing through your door taking the used test out of the bin for evidence.

    not really as most of the population is vaccinated, BCAFC will be leally obligated to prove the seat information of who bought the ticket (if passports do come in this will be linked to you) then test and trace can get in touch. and to answer your question again i can tell you haven't been reading all my posts sent to you. the government have explained their reasoning for having vaccine passports.
    and lastly so you are saying committing a crime is good?

    Btw I have not once downplayed the serious of Covid. I HAVE TAKEN THE fecking VACCINE, TAKING THE VACCINE AND NOT AGREEING WITH A SCHEME WITH MASSIVE FLAWS IS NOT A MEMBERSHIP CARD TO THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY.

    what if you have to take PCR tests? what then?

    If anything just accepting restrictions and not asking questions when a damming report has been issued by a cross party committee and just accepting the government at face value rather idiotic. Would you stand on your head if the government asked you too because less Covid is found at ground level so it reduces your risk, or would you quite rightly want to scrutinise such a policy?
    i am a bit confused by what you are saying here... you do realise that the government were found to not have done enough right? they should have locked down faster harder and earlier, they should not have opened up restrictions at Christmas. I do understand wanting to scrutinise it, but all of your statements were wrong, you viewed it out as flu is just as bad as covid so why are we doing this. rather than we need to learn to live with the virus (which i think is wrong either way)
     
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    Getting lower and lower risk each year
     
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    Current Cases in Bradford v Current Vaccination Rate in Bradford.

    It's strange how the areas with the lowest Vaccine take up are those which seem to currently be showing the lowest rates (Keighley, central Bradford, Central Leeds) where as those with the highest Vaccine take up are those which seem to be showing the highest rates (Ilkely, Otley and the rural areas).

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    It's interesting to compare the number of cases of Covid in the UK with the no of cases in other large western democracies. Here are the data for the last week as a comparison (expressed as Cases in Last 7 Days per 100,000 population) ...

    Ireland 205
    Germany 65
    Norway 60
    France 44
    Portugal 42
    Sweden 39
    Italy 30
    Spain 22

    UK 397 (That equates to about 36,000 cases per day)

    (Source Statista)

    What is going on here? Why are most western democracies doing so much better than us in terms of cases? Not just marginally better but many times better than the UK.

    Those countries below Ireland have all adopted a so-called 'Vaccine Plus' strategy which means they have largescale vaccination programmes (similar to our own) but combine that with a variety of other measure including mandatory mask wearing in some settings, continuing social distancing and Covid passes. The UK on the other hand has now adopted a 'Vaccine Only' strategy without any recourse to mandatory mask wearing, without social distancing and the use of Covid passes on a voluntary and limited basis only (in England anyway). Our strategy seems to have spread the view that the Covid crisis is over and our behaviours have changed accordingly. Imo, we're storing up a major issue and our cases continue to increase.
     
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    And yet the people in the UK don't seem bothered in the slightest.

    It seems that given the choice between higher cases and restricting their activities we "prefer" higher cases.
     
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    Undoubtedly many do. !,000 deaths a week from Covid has now become the expected norm for many in the UK. However it's my own view that if our news media were to show how other western countries are dealing with the health of their communities, questions might well be asked of our particular approach.
     
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    All the information is out there if people were interested enough to look. The fact they don't indicates that they're currently happy with the risk reward tradeoff.

    Plus, there is always the question mark of the accuracy of the figures to some degree. I can't fir the life of me believe there are only 22 people testing positive in Spain with the virus per 100,000 for example.

    Although actually now I look at it again Spain are still under much heavier restrictions than I thought they were so maybe......although they are relaxing them.
     
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    You do know I live in Lancashire right?
    I have been on one protest and am due to go to another two in the coming weeks.

    My local MP was sent quite alot of information and is one of many councillors doctors and nurses who have been served liability notices up and down the country.

    Or and by the way did you look up what's happening in Australia the video of well done to the parents and Michael McDowell I suspect not.
     
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    Can you explain to me why Israel the biggest intake of the vaccine have one of the largest cases of Covid in the world yet Sweden who basically carried on as normal with no mask hardly any restrictions and a low vaccine uptake is ranked around 50th in the world in cases.

    Can you also explain why deaths in Scotland have risen since the roll out.

    Can you explain why deaths mainly in male teenagers is up compared to normal since the roll out.

    I will tell you my 13 year old daughter received a Covid consent letter today from school so I decided to contact them. I asked them could they 100% confirm the vaccine is safe and should anything happen to my daughter would they take liability. The two answers I got from her head of year 9 was we have no idea how safe it is we are following the guidelines set by the government and that they wouldn't accept liability. So I then asked him would you give your child a vaccine that you knew little about he said no and more to the point admitted his younger sister would not be having it at present.

    So there you have it even teachers have no clue of the safety they are just being pushed by the government.

    One final thing though.

    If the vaccine does work great the unvaccinated can have it at a later date however if it does end up causing people to have health issues in the coming years what exactly is your PLAN B?
     
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    I've been trying to make sense of this.
    The areas which have low vaccine take up have historically been areas which have had the worse rates of covid in the district. I think the area there in green was weekly the highest rated in Bradford for about 20 weeks straight.

    As these areas have been high historically clearly testing take place in these areas, my only conclusion so far is that natural immunity is very strong. The excuse for them being the highest rates last year should still hold true today, and with no restrictions in theory they should be even higher.

    Ilkley is a real headscratcher, it's always been low yet now its one the highest rates in Bradford for both Cases and number of people double jabbed.

    These figures really fly in the fact of all logic and are the polar opposite of what you would expect.

    I was in Bradford on Friday and pretty no one wore masks, no one is wearing masks in Keighley, however they are very visible in Ilkley, so that also make no sense.
     
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    You keep mentioning this man, i have asked you for a link yet you refused to provide one why?
     
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    Why on earth are you asking a TEACHER on how safe it is? Have you heard yourself? Do i ask my waiter what the risks are of eating shellfish? Pure pure madness.

    and dude you realise nothing is 100% safe right? Crossing the road carried a degree of risk. And hang on so im assuming you let your daughter have the other jabs but not this one? What evidence from a peer reviewed journal that says this is flat out MORE dangerous than covid?
     
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    Like why are you so awkward? Why ask someone who is unqualified to answer a question? Ask a pharmacist. Ask a damn DOCTOR what planet are you on!?


    I’ll answer with another question for you. How long do you think a vaccine stays in the body for?
     
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    This explains your sweden question.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-10-14/sweden-a-covid-success-story-or-a-failure-maybe-neither

    maybe you didn't twig as the number were lower compared to here but as a percentage of population, they were a lot higher than here.

    its really frustrating to see some frame a question when when they dont hold all the details.


    Really to me it sounds like you want to be left on your own and dont want to be told what to do and will hold onto any ‘knowledge’ that sticks to that thought regardless of evidence to prove the contrary you are shown


    Tell me will you stop spreading nonsense about myocarditis? Even though i have showed you that research was flawed? Didnt think so..
     
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    If you actually read stuff I have already said earlier on that doctors and nurses have been questioned about the vaccine and can't answer. I asked the teacher because he is my daughter's head of year and is first port of call where she is concerned in school. When people of authority whether its doctors nurses councillors or teachers cant answer if the vaccine is safe and won't accept any liability if something goes wrong why would I put myself or kids in possible harm's way. Prove to me it is safe and I will have it until then not a chance.

    From all accounts it seems the vaccine wanes within 6 months but hasn't been officially confirmed, see I can answer your questions.
     
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    Myocarditis rates have increased and if you type up medical X press even from yesterday it confirms myocarditis has been found after people took the Vaccine.

    For me you can believe what you want that's upto you but I will believe what I have found and seen over the past 18 months. Time will tell which one of us is correct.
     
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