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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Dennis

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    That's very true. But some of his inner group advisers - Seamus Milne, Andrew Murray, Karie Murphy, Jon Lansmann - who are incredibly influential on Labour party policy (including the majority of them ironically being in favour of Brexit) have had close associations with ultra left groups, including CPGB and their views do have a strong influence on Corbyn. His own 'I'm not a communist' argument isn't helped by his second in command John McDonnell having been proud to declare in the recent past that he is a Marxist. For better or worse, people, especially leading politicians are often measured by the company they keep.
     
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    Insider dealing?
     
  3. Offcomedun

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    I agree. I dislike Lansman intensely and there are too many ex-tankies in the inner circle for my liking. I spent a lot of my student years opposing infiltration by Militant and I'm very unhappy about some of those who've been allowed into positions of influence.

    Being a Marxist isn't the same thing at all as being a Communist. It's perfectly possible to have a Marxist analysis of how society and economics works, which McDonnell has, I'm sure, without believing in Communistic solutions involving vanguard parties, one party states etc. I really like McDonnell. He's many times brighter than Corbyn and a clever political operator. I also think he's a genuine democrat. I think he'd wipe the floor with Johnson if he were leader.
     
  4. Park bantam

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    I think secretly Our Boris won’t be to bothered if he loses a vote of no confidence. It will save him the embarrassment on the 31st of October if he can’t get a deal. And he will play on the fact that a conspiracy has kept us from leaving
     
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  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    Take your choice, opposition front bench full of 'em..
     
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  6. Offcomedun

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    No it isn't. Not one of the Labour front bench is a Communist. Who, precisely, are you referring to?
     
  7. Tony Wilkinson

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    Well you obviously thought that you knew...
     
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  8. Offcomedun

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    Yes, I thought you were talking about Corbyn. You've said you weren't. So, come on, name names. Which of the Labour front bench is a communist.
     
  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    Never said that I wasn't......
     
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  10. Craven Cottager

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    Little point trying to rationalise with the irrational, who will be the first to whinge if this goes belly up. Like I posted some time ago - if tha Brexit, tha pays for it.
     
  11. Bronco

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    Yet Boris is suppose to be the conniving bastard in all of this you have to laugh.
     
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  12. Bronco

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    Wow..................
     
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  13. Tony Wilkinson

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    Why would you fear living in a free country......?
    Your forfathers have given their lives for this......
    There's far more to this than any financial implications..
     
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  14. Offcomedun

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    Do you seriously believe that Corbyn and other Labour front benchers are Communists? What they want is the kind of democratic socialist policies that are so successful in Scandinavia. That's a million miles away from Communism, or don't you understand the difference?
     
  15. Tony Wilkinson

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    Well, they've certainly conned you then mate, you don't come across as being vulnerable but there yer go....
     
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    Nonsense. You're just a paranoid righty who thinks anyone left of Tom Watson is a traitorous Bolshevik.
    Calling the Labour front bench Communists is the equivalent of me calling the Tory front bench Nazis, which I don't. The likes of Patel, Rees-Mogg, Raab & co are a bunch of very nasty ultra-capitalist libertarians who don't give a monkeys about ordinary people, but they aren't Nazis. Shame you can't see the shades of grey on the left.
     
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    If you say so....don't have nightmares, as long as you're happy...!!
     
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    Me have nightmares?
    You're the one who seems to be constantly frightened of reds under the beds.
     
  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    Because they are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol
     
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    The Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonald has begun the process of reviving the original version of Clause IV, one of the key pillars of the party’s constitution that was abandoned by Tony Blair under New Labour. So what is clause four?

    “To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service”
    The state or "People" through the state to control all industries and supply.

    Of course nothing to fear because some people will always be gullible enough to believe these people do not have communism in there hearts,
     
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