Brexit

This would be a great idea for the house of commons. Instead of the usual bullshit of hear hear just dub the voices over with farm yard animal sounds. Johnson a duck, I think Corbyn would be a sheep...

 

I actually feel sorry for Abbott now. Not the fact she's stealing a wage though, more that fact she's embarrassing now. Might as well stick Churchill the nodding dog in her place, you wouldn't notice the difference.

 

Constituency parties of all kinds can be the most utterly mental institutions in the country. That only five brought this forward is perhaps surprisingly low, and would absolutely have been swept away on the conference floor.

What I’m saying is that it has not, and has never been, Labour’s publicly held policy to revive clause IV. Whether Corbyn and/or McDonnell privately wish to pursue that is by the by (and their current attitude is probably unprovable in any case).

 

Looks like the EU will at least look at the new proposals from the UK, strange how when you threaten you may have to leave with no deal they are prepared to look at the the proposal, Theresa May you sold us brexiteers down the river trying to keep your party from ripping itself in half.

 

It’s got absolutely no chance of flying. The only chance this would have is EU desperation and I can’t understand why the EU would go for a deal that quite clearly fails it’s own minimum requirements.

The UK government is just out to show that it’s ‘trying’. The DUP are more or less the only organisation in Northern Ireland to back this new arrangement.

 

You may be correct but why would Barnier comment on the backstop the very thing they said would/could not change, yet the EU say if the UK crashed out they would not have a hard boarder in Ireland.

 

Strikes me as cosmetics. Neither side want to be blamed for the breakdown in talks - the fact that Barnier has also asked the other EU nations not to immediately dismiss it out of hand is a bit of a tell.

 

We're trapped and beholden to 27 other countries and yet some folk want us to remain.....freedom ?...unbelievable Jeff...

 

I’m not 100% sure it would get through the Commons. It might, but bear in mind the default alternative is to force an extension to article 50, have an election and potentially take control of the process.

If it does, I think it would be Corbyn giving the secret wink and nod to a group of ‘rebel’ Labour MPs to help this pain point for Labour go away. Would that help Labour’s electoral chances? God knows, a huge number of potentially conflicting impacts. Labour are strong on domestic policy and weak on Brexit. But you’d have to think that a Tory party that had sealed a Brexit deal would be in a strong position. Lib Dems probably suffering.

That said, the chances of it even getting to the Commons are very remote. I just don’t see a timeline where the EU don’t roll the dice, take the election and see what they can get in the new year. This parliament couldn’t be designed to be more difficult for the EU to deal with if you tried (aside from a Brexit Party majority, but...you’re still rolling that dice).

 

Vermont is trapped and beholden to 49 other states and yet some folk want them to remain a part of the Union?

Trite nonsense.

 

What exactly will you be able to do on 1st November 2019 that you cannot do now because of our EU membership? Serious question.

 

Serious answer...it will not affect me one bit but long term our country should benefit from being in control of our laws, money and population...

 

Bit of a cryptic comment from one politic observer on brexit, When asked how Boris would avoid breaking the law if we do not get a deal and refuse to ask for the extension replied by saying we are still in the EU and EU law is still higher than the Supreme court until we leave and mentioned that the rules of article 50 leaving bill are governed by this, Now Have no idea what they meant but is this the loophole that the top brexiteers have?

 

Steve Baker was on Newsnight last night and said if we did not get a deal there was a way around leaving without a deal even with the Benn Act in place.
He said: “I’ve had a number of conversations with a number of ministers.

“I’m very clear that they believe they have a way through.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1185759/brexit-news-bbc-newsnight-leave-EU-conservative-party-steve-baker-emma-barnett/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15700906245717&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1185759/brexit-news-bbc-newsnight-leave-EU-conservative-party-steve-baker-emma-barnett

 

Im not a lawyer, but sounds inherently dodgy to me. Britain can still pass all its own laws, and these still carry weight. Surely all the law contains is a mandate to request an extension, which would sit outside of the terms of the extension itself.

Interesting to note that the language from the Tories has definitely changed slightly since before conference. It’s now the slightly more fluffy ‘get Brexit done’, rather than the war cry my way or the highway approach. Someone must have been doing some focus group analysis.

 

Feels more and more likely that if and when we do leave the EU it’s going to be either the hardest or the softest of Brexits.

Whether we like it or not, we have to have Dublin on side for any proposed deal, and if any deal also revolves around keeping majority of people happy in Northern Ireland on all sides (unionist and nationalist), then there’s just no Northern Ireland solution possible. Ergo, we’re in a UK wide customs union.

The current proposal requires cross party Stormont consent. I can’t see that being taken away as that would be a precursor to ensuring peace on the island of Ireland. And so I just cannot see any deal getting this.

The alternative, of course, is no deal. Always on the table, right where you left it.

 

Like you am not a lawyer and does seem as you say fluffy, They seemed to be implying that the Article 50 law passed by parliament and subject to EU law somehow negated the Benn act, Either way we could be heading back to the courts.
I still think there is a chance of a deal as the first proposal was never going to be accepted they never are, However we now go in to the "Tunnel" process of secret intense negotiations which may well hammer out a deal both can put forward

 

Thanks. Appreciate the honesty.