Brexit

What an absolute dogs dinner this has turned out to be. I honestly thought they wouldn’t dare not deliver Brexit, but here we are looking at EU elections and at the very least a 2 year extension provided we have a plan!!

Business leaders don’t want to jump over the cliff, but much worse than that is 2 years of uncertainty.

 

I'm hoping Farage is as good as his word and forms a brexit party, 17,000,000 voters nailed on there alone, just how many times have exit polls and the like been massively wrong, the referendum alone they we miles out, yes we keep hearing of leavers changing their minds (which I'm certainly not seeing from people I know who voted leave).
I can't see the likes of many of these constitutes going Red :
Harrow
Old Bexley and Sidcup
Chingford and Woodford Green
Bexleyheath and Crayford
Cities of London and Westminster
Finchley and Golders Green
Richmond Park
Putney
Wimbledon
Chelsea and Fulham
Northwood and Pinner
Uxbridge and South Ruislip
Orpington (even the old Snooker world Champion Joe Johnson can get in here)
Bromley and Chislehurst
Hendon
Croydon South
Romford
Sutton & Cheam
Beckenham
Hornchurch and Upminster
Chipping Barnet

 

Well as we are seeing there is little point in voting Red or Blue, neither want the UK out of the EU, that has been openly stated by many during the debate on May's deal, which is unacceptable by both sides Tories say it keeps us tied into the customs union which it does, and Labour want a very watered down deal, to stay inline with the EU and stay in the customs union hardly worth coming out if that's the case.

 

That's it, the remoaners blame the tories for wanting a proper brexit where it is the socialists ( to put it mildly) that want an even weaker deal ( we know its not a deal, more like a surrender document) that are making it impossible to get anything through...
#leavemeansnodeal

 

It is just impossible atm. No real idea where we go from here. My own position has become polarised, I would rather stay in, than have a watered down expensive version. Or we leave and sort out how our relationship with the EU after.

 

The EU are holding a meeting two days before the now new leaving date, There is the possibility the EU may decide to make the decision for us and decide on a no deal exit as we cannot agree on a deal,

 

I can't see that @trevor, why would they be happy to allow the 2nd biggest financial contributor leave.
We see what's happening in France, Germany, Italy with regards the anti European\Immigration parties gathering momentom maybe they feel uneasy with the possibility of the majority of new UK MEPs being anti EU.
It gets weirder by the day, and we pay these clowns £70.00 + expencies to run our country and honour the wishes of the electorate.
Thinking about the second vote many (remainers) are requesting maybe its one way to finalise what we require from our MPs.
So we offer another vote with 2 options on the voting form, as the original vote was won by the leave campaign, the two opions are leave with Theresa Mays deal or leave without a deal, maybe that would bring this situation to a close.

 

IMO, if we have another vote, then there needs to be 3 options
(a) Mrs May's deal/whatever emerges from Parliament that is AGREED as viable with the EU.
(b) Leave with No Deal
(C) Revoke Article 50 and Remain.

None are unicorns, all are options that can happen - notwithstanding the implications of them.

If (a) and (b) together are in majority we leave on the basis that wins out of those. If (C) is in majority we stay. No incentive to vote anything other than what you believe and it will confirm what the people want to conclude this period of plebiscite government.

I absolutely get the leaver's anger and concerns about democracy. However, we are so divided right now that an election will solve nothing. If there is still the will to leave the EU then that will be confirmed and we do it.

 

Well it is up to us to agree a deal they will accept before the time limit as it will take all 27 members to agree an extension, France has already said it is fully prepared for a no deal exit and is leaning to not agreeing an extension, If we cannot agree a deal it will only take 1 out of 27 to vote against it and we are out no matter what the disgraceful MPs of Westminster think

 

But we've already had the referendum and leave won the vote.
Stay should not be an option, we now have May's deal or we leave on WTO.
Mays deal still locks us into the back stop which I think to get the EU to allow us to leave after proving we dont need a hard border is as near as remainers will get, potencially locked in as long as the EU want.
Unless our MPs renege on the referendums outcome at the moment these are the only two options surely ?.

 

MPs cannot renege on the referendum outcome, I agree with that. Even though I disagree with the outcome, it would be undemocratic to do so.

However, if it is necessary to go back to the people to resolve how we proceed then I don't think you can have a referendum that excludes an option that we know many people believe. It would not have the legitimacy, morally, that the original referendum did.

I'm not going to search to find the verbatim quotes However, Rees-Mogg and Farage were both quoted with views that a second referendum might be necessary to finalise the process. David Davis with the view that what marks out a democracy is that ability to change its mind. That option should not be excluded.

 

I was a supporter of the first-past-the-post in our General elections but not anymore.

This system is a way of keeping the corrupt main two big parties in power and since brexit I would vote for new voting system.

 

Those of you who voted Leave and keep complaining about how corrupt and terrible all MPs are - you do realise that by voting for Brexit you voted to hand over far more power to these people, right?

 

Yeah, but our corrupt and terrible MP's whom we can vote out are slightly less dangerous than the corrupt and terrible Euro bullies...

 

So what you're saying is you back another General Election? Couldnt agree more Tone

 

So what you're saying is you back another General Election? Couldnt agree more Tone

 

Only if we have Nige's Brexit party up and running.....

 

The only way forward now is for the EU to somehow either remove or adjust the Irish backstop in the present agreement, That done it will get through Parliament but only just as Labour will vote against anything in the vain hope of an election no matter how damaging for the country