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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Bronco

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    That comment is nearly as insulting as what we get from certain remain MPs like Sudbury telling us leave voters we didnt know what we were voting for.
    Maybe some of you remainers are frightend of change ?.
     
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  2. Park bantam

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    That's not going to happen the most likely outcome is Ken Clarke version which nearly got through last week
     
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    We have a chance to change and make a difference with our parliament.

    The same can't be said about the massive out of touch EU parliament ,just look at the new laws these MEP's past last week.

    Article 13 was one of them,look it up.
     
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    Should have said "passed last week"
     
  5. trevor

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    Those including the ones tomorrow are only recommendation votes, They are not binding on the government who have already indicated they will ignore the results
     
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    Over the last few weeks much has been heard from the SNP and their quest for independence. They do not speak for all the people of Scotland, in fact in 2016 more people here voted to leave the E.U. than voted for the SNP.
    I voted remain in both 2014 and 2016.
     
  7. Bronco

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    Yes if find the SNP arguement rather strange, they got chance to vote for independance as you say yet lost the vote to self govern.
    Yet they are quite happy to stay in the EU and to let the EU dictate policy/rules that effect Scotland, was it just a matter of anyone rather than Westminster ?.
     
  8. Park bantam

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    Whether people agree or not there is no concenus for a hard Brexit in Parliament so Brexiteers should have the courage of their convictions by putting in back to the people
    Question
    Prime ministers deal
    No deal
    Evoke
    What are Brexiteers scared of
     
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  9. Bronco

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    Us brexiteers are afraid of nothing we've already won the ballot, it's the MPs who never thought for on minute the populous would vote leave, bet that came as a right shock to the establishment.
    No new vote, everything the remaines are putting forward has been defeated, with ironically Mays deal getting the most votes, but once again that is not brexit, the form clearly stated Remain in the EU or Leave the EU, it really isn't that hard to understand even for you remainers, keep on trying to get a soft brexit through you could find on 12th April we'll be out on the default option, or the EU might have the balls to say enough is enough no more extensions.
    And with regards your new vote there should only be two.
    Theresa Mays deal or no deal as remain has already been defeated.
     
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    In a democracy people change their minds if Brexiteers are so confident put it to a test
     
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  11. Bronco

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    Would it be best out of 5 if you lost again smileyslaughing_holding-head_100-100.gif .

    I've already addressed that point we won, get on with it, there's a big world out there lets have some of it, 5th largest economy in the world, lets have change.
     
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    We also voted for a parliament who won’t compromise on anything. In the referendum we were not told it would cost 39 billion to leave we were told a lie a 100 million for the health service. We weren’t told that the Irish couldn’t accept it. We did vote to leave and May has tried to move mountains to agree a deal and get it passed.
    If we want to leave the EU anytime soon the. The government should get behind what Ken Clarke was proposing yesterday that lost by three votes and if the cabinet hadn’t been whipped would have passed. This would have seen us join the common market but not the single market this scenario would mean no free movement of people that most people voted leave for. We couldn’t negotiate trade deals but we could i. The service sector which is by far the biggest earner.
     
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    Ken Clarke, it's about time he was put out to grass 78 years old he should have retired years ago but the gravey train is too good, his amendment would have kept us in the Customs Union why cant remainers realise that was one of the biggest factors why many voted leave, voters wanted to give the government the powers to bring immigration under control.
    I wish the remainers would have put as much effort into trying to come to an agreement that we as a country could have got behind but the selfish remainers wanted to trash the referendum outcome, when you get the leader of the opposition being on the side of the remainers when until quite recently Corbyn's stance of the EU has been anti EU.
    Once again your above comment suggests no one had done any homework on what would happen if we left, because they were so *@?$ sure we wouldn't have the balls to vote against the status quo.
    When the votes were counted they reailsed they would have to throw a few scare stories in to try and panic those who voted leave, on the contrary most fellow brexiteers I know, the lying has hardened there stance.
     
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    As I said there would be no freedom of movement under Ken Clarke proposal. He has compromised a lot he wants us to stop in.
    Nobody wants a no deal and the chaos that would cause other than the lunatic right. As I pointed out this is a parliamentary democracy I would think your MP doesn’t share your opinion. However It would take hell freezing over at least three of the seats in Bradford didn’t vote labour So if you are convinced of your case force them into it by affirming the vote under these new circumstances
     
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    Just for information, Ken Clarkes proposal would not have changed anything as it would not solve the Irish border question, Remaining in the customs union would still need a border, It is only tariff free trade agreement that would solve the border problem and his plan did not include it, To Join the EU free trade would mean having to accept the EU courts over ours, and unrestricted free movement of people to the UK along with paying around £12 Billion net to the EU each year
     
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    the proposal would mean just a custo. U ion not the single market and under the proposal there would be no freedom of movement we would have tariffs free access to our biggest market by far which is why almost all of business doesn’t want a hard Brexit or no deal
     
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    A customs union does not give full tariff free access and would not solve the Irish border problem because some goods would have to checked, Access to the EU free trade area is conditional on the four freedoms and paying a fee to the EU.
     
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    What do you mean "he's compromised a lot" he's a MP who ewas put into Westminster by us the electorate to carry out the wises of the people, we had a referendum on a major issue the EU it gets a 75% turn out with over 1m+ majority.
    You say nobody wants a no deal but that was part of the deal, remember the slogan "no deal is better than a bad deal" so I'd suggest your wrong, I'm not saying May's is a good deal, I think it's a bad deal because the backstop could keep us in the customs union for as long as the EU like as we have no get out activation clause.
    I don't blame the EU for playing hard ball, IMO we should have activated A50 delivered it to the EU and said we will be leaving on 29th March 2019, and let the EU come back to us with a deal to see if it's acceptable to us.
    They say before we can negotiate there will be a divorce bill, with weak negotiators they are calling all the shots I don't blame them they are not going to make it easy they realise what they will be losing finance wise the second biggest contributor after Germany.
    We shouldn't be afraid of leaving on WTO terms 80% of trade world wide is done like that I believe.
     
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    So May has agreed to do what she should have done 2 years ago and talk to the opposition and try an agreed agreement, When this is over she has to go
     
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    Corbyn could never agree to anything, it will be all his way or nothing, we are fooooked whatever the outcome...
     
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