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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Park bantam

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    For companies to sell from the UK to the EU they now have to pay duty so the government have to pay more of yours and mine taxes to attract them and compensate
     
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  2. Bronco

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    As I've posted its nothing new, we did it with Nisson at Sunderland years ago even when we were in the EU.
     
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    Yes but the figures now are much higher because of the trading difficulties
     
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    How much is the duty bearing in mind we have a duty free trade agreement with the EU
     
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  5. Bronco

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  6. Bronco

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    How to blow your chances of winning the next General Election, as the song goes "it started with a kiss", can Labour be trusted with regards not rejoining the EU even though Starmer says it will not be in the Labour manifesto for the next General Election.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-wants-new-eu-links-in-a-reset-of-british-foreign-policy/ar-AA1gOToF?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=bdf3ace651854dc499fd10777846f156&ei=9

    Labour will not say how many migrants it would accept in EU returns deal (msn.com)

    David Lammy proposes reset of foreign policy to strength Britain's EU ties (msn.com)
     
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    Starmer has made it crystal clear that he has no intention of rejoining the EU or the single market. He knows perfectly well that he needs to win back Red Wall seats to win the next General Election and to retain them to secure a second term. Even though Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster from every point of view (from immigration to business bankruptcies due to export bureaucracy) Starmer is not stupid enough to renege on it all the while there are enough people like you around in northern seats who still think it was a good idea. That will change eventually, as more and more people gradually come to recognise all the negatives of Brexit (see article below for an explanation of just some of them) and as the, mostly older, people who voted for Brexit become a smaller proportion of the electorate..

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/15/small-boats-industry-science-brexit-made-our-lives-worse?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    All the polls show that a majority of the electorate now believes that Brexit was a mistake. And it's abundantly clear that a majority of people under 50 think Brexit was a bad idea, including most of those who weren't old enough to vote in the referendum but now are. Also, don't forget that huge swathes of southern England, including many of the Blue Wall Tory seats that Labour is now targeting, voted Remain by a clear margin. Far from being an electoral liability, most of those people welcome closer working arrangements with Europe, even though they recognise that rejoining is not a viable option now and won't be for at least a decade to come.
     
  8. Bronco

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    His lasted stunt is he's going back to get a better deal from the EU whilst not being in the Single Market or Customs Union does the man take the electorate for fools, you keep repeating the above, it will be interesting to see if they get off the arses and vote as that certainly wasn't the case in the last General Election when it was crystal clear the only party that was going to deliver brexit were there Tories and as we know won with an overwhelming majority.
    He says he's going to get more cooperation from the EU with regards immigration, France are getting well paid to stop the small boats and anyone with a brain cell can see that's not working, (I'd say France are taking the p1ss) why would they stop economic migrants leaving France its not their problem any more once they leave even making sure they get into British waters for our Border Force to take over, plus if he did get any sort of deal the quota the EU would want the UK to take could actually be more than the boat people the way Italy are struggling with migrants.
    I was hoping I could return to Labour but not on what I'm seeing and hearing so far once again big talk until their asked to put figures and numbers to their promises, like it or not immigration will be the top of the agenda which is a shame as it should be the state the British economy, the NHS and crime.

    Here's a piece from your favourite paper
    Keir Starmer commits to rewriting Brexit deal if Labour wins election (msn.com)

    Do you believe he can get a better deal from the EU without being in the Single Market/Customs Union why would they give Labour a better deal.
     
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  9. Offcomedun

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    I don't think there'll be anything drastic. It's about making things a bit easier around the margins. In part it's about attitudes. The EU see the Tories as very anti-EU which, of course, most of them are. Whereas the vast majority of Labour MPs/potential future ministers were Remainers who believe that Brexit was a terrible idea. It doesn't take a genius to work out that the EU is likely to be more cooperative, less awkward, and better disposed towards a government made up of those who would rather we were still in the EU than it is towards the current UK government, which it sees as largely hostile and difficult.
     
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    He doesn't know his arse from his elbow, shocking politician ......
     
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    Not a mistake, just not carried through, government as useless as a chocolate teapot....
     
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    Sorry Steve the EU have made the situation perfectly clear, once we left the EU they were the rules we would have a abide by you've quoted it yourself many times to suit your argument, if you believe because its Labour who are going with the begging bowl to get a better deal I believe you'll be disappointed it doesn't take a genius to see that.
    Starmer say's we won't try and rejoin the EU, we'll just have a chin wag over a cup of tea and see if we the Labour party who didn't accept the referendum and wanted to stay in the EU can get a better deal, I'm sure that will convince Ursula von der Leyen and her unelected cronies.

    The French won't even do what the UK government have paid them handsomely to do that's stop the boats, which if people look at that seriously they are allowing smugglers and traffickers to get away with something the EU say they want to stamp out, unless it becomes less of a problem for France then we'll turn a blind eye.
    What's your opinion on the outcome of these talks do you believe the EU will stop the boats and not expect the UK to accept their fair share of economic migrants, when most other EU countries apart from the likes of Poland and Hungary who I take my hat off to have said enough is enough.
     
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    So you won't vote labour because you think bAsed on zero evidence that labour will try go back to the EU. You would rather the country be run into the gutter? A continuation of the disaster capitalism we see laid bare every day?

    How can that be it baffles me?

    Labour won't return to the EU noone will. Not anyone who manages to gain power anyway.

    Think you need to forget the EU being this big baddy that ruined your existence. We aren't going back. So maybe grown adults like you could change their opinions of our closest neighbour and actually work with them instead of treating them as enemies.
     
  14. Bronco

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    What a strange post please show me where I've said Starmer will try and get back into the EU, in fact I've stated Starmer has said Labour would not try and rejoin.
    Do stop your personal attacks [​IMG]@Offcomedun and myself may not agree with regards the referendum and many other things but we do not lower ourselves to personal attacks.
    When you post with a little more respect I'll debate with you until then don't involve me in your nonsense replies, read my post again with regards the money we are paying France to stop the boats, which clearly they aren't doing, so that suggests they prefer to allow smuggling gangs and traffickers to get away with it, something the EU say they want to stamp out, unless of course it becomes less of a problem for France then they'll turn a blind eye.
     
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    Having spent the last eight years or so being slagged off by most of the Tory party and most of its current ministers, the EU is, quite understandably, in no mood to cut Britain any slack or do our current government any favours. We all know that there is usually wriggle room for interpretation of rules. But they warned us that there would be consequences to leaving the EU and so it’s no surprise that they have taken a hard line on most things.

    I’ve no idea what the outcome of Starmer’s talks with the EU will be. But it’s crystal clear that a government headed by Starmer would have much warmer, more cooperative relations with the EU than the Tories currently have, Without the anti-EU baggage of the current government they’re much more likely to be able to negotiate compromise agreements and/or less officious implementation of rules. They’re also more likely to get better cooperation over issues like the boat crossings.

    But there is no way that we’ll get cooperation on boat crossings unless we’re prepared to take our fair share of genuine asylum seekers. Only by agreeing proper safe routes and a fair quota of genuine cases will we get the necessary cooperation to help combat the gangs and weed out the bogus cases. If we simply expect the southern and southeastern European states to take all the genuine people fleeing persecution in Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan then why would they be motivated to help us out? It has to be a quid pro quo.
     
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    That’s your opinion. But it’s not what the majority of the country thinks. If we’d done all the things the hardline Brexiteers wanted we’d be even further up shit creek than we already are.
     
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    So on that basis should we stop paying the French? Perhaps the £62 million a year could be better spent.

    Given that we were told that we were paying £350 million a week to the EU prior to Brexit, the £63,000 million which will have accumulated in the period could have been used to better support the UK residents!

    What have the Brexiters done with the dosh?
     
  18. Bronco

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    Without doubt if the French are not cooperating which recent media outlets suggest they aren't there is little point in financing something they are not doing, but I will repeat if they are not cooperating then they are aiding traffickers and smuggling gangs something we know is aberrant and should be stopped.

    I'd suggest with the recent pandemic we have pumped far more in to the NHS than you above figure, now we are a part of a coalition funding Ukraine's war against Russia, it's 3 years since we actually left the EU things were never going to happen overnight but looking at what is happening with regards certain EU members financially struggling and going into recession, the likes of Hungary and Poland saying they will not take the quotas of economic migrants the EU are saying fellow member should take its hardly a happy bunch of EU members.
    If as we're hearing the EU are going to stop the influx of economic migrants coming through Italy Greece etc the flow of economic migrants should stop or reduce in numbers, as the ones who claim asylum and are successful will have Italian, French, German etc nationality so they the would not be any reason to come to the UK and the failed economic migrants will be deported, win win.
     
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    QUOTE="Offcomedun, post: 792576, member: 792"]Having spent the last eight years or so being slagged off by most of the Tory party and most of its current ministers, the EU is, quite understandably, in no mood to cut Britain any slack or do our current government any favours. We all know that there is usually wriggle room for interpretation of rules. But they warned us that there would be consequences to leaving the EU and so it’s no surprise that they have taken a hard line on most things.

    I’ve no idea what the outcome of Starmer’s talks with the EU will be. But it’s crystal clear that a government headed by Starmer would have much warmer, more cooperative relations with the EU than the Tories currently have, Without the anti-EU baggage of the current government they’re much more likely to be able to negotiate compromise agreements and/or less officious implementation of rules. They’re also more likely to get better cooperation over issues like the boat crossings.

    But there is no way that we’ll get cooperation on boat crossings unless we’re prepared to take our fair share of genuine asylum seekers. Only by agreeing proper safe routes and a fair quota of genuine cases will we get the necessary cooperation to help combat the gangs and weed out the bogus cases. If we simply expect the southern and southeastern European states to take all the genuine people fleeing persecution in Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan then why would they be motivated to help us out? It has to be a quid pro quo.[/QUOTE]

    I thought the Tories would be blamed, the EU have made it abundantly clear unless we are members of the Customs Union and the Single Market they can't/won't treat the UK any differently to any other country outside the EU.
    Do you really believe if Labour get in power the EU will think this party didn't want to leave the EU so well cut them some slack.
    Let's say Starmer does get cut some slack there will be consequences to the EU cutting us some slack and I'd think they would be to the benefit if the EU rather than the UK.
    With regards economic migrants your correct as we are seeing at the moment they have no intention of doing what they are being paid handsomely to do and stop the boats.
    Our stop the boats payment was with regards economic migrants crossing the Chanel from France irrelevant of which country they were fleeing, the ECHR was originally established in 1959 when the present situation would never have been envisaged it's out of date and either needs reviewing with regards the present situation our the UK need to leave, the present situation is out of hand and as long as little is being done to deter these asylum seekers it will only get worse.
     
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    So you won't vote labour because you think bAsed on zero evidence that labour will try go back to the EU. You would rather the country be run into the gutter? A continuation of the disaster capitalism we see laid bare every day?

    How can that be it baffles me?

    Labour won't return to the EU noone will. Not anyone who manages to gain power anyway.

    Think you need to forget the EU being this big baddy that ruined your existence. We aren't going back. So maybe grown adults like you could change their opinions of our closest neighbour and actually work with them instead of treating them as enemies.
    Jesus you're a sensitive soul wasn't a personal attack. Just calling out the points you made about not wanting to vote labour because of their recent comments on EU migrants.

    Move on mate. Vote the Tory's out
     

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