Brexit

I think it's definitely a good thing but the government (and VoteLeave) did foresee it.

I think they're more than happy to sit back and let the market decide how "key" a worker is rather than legislating minimum wage or universal credit changes (although they'll probably be less happy when it starts affecting people they actually pay directly such as NHS staff). A lot of the discussion at the time of the Brexit vote came down to immigration and rather than it being a xenophobic or racist discussion as it was painted by some it was largely the pure economic impacts of cheap labour,

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-will-stop-cheap-foreign-labour-undercutting-british-workers-pay-54506

The thing is there used to be a truly left wing argument of this - even Corbyn saw the benefits as above- so in general it should be a cross spectrum ideal that everybody is on board with. However this idea that you can rejig the whole labour market seamlessly with no short term disruption is simply pie in the sky, every change in labour supply and demand will take time to readjust and the industries primarily need to be getting in front of that. At the moment they seem to be sitting back, doing nothing and hoping that at the last minute public outcry will allow them to go back to the status quo of the old "cheap" ways. We shouldn't let them. They're relying that the scrutiny and criticism always falls on the government in this country but the companies themselves need to be taken to account on how innovative they are and how they treat their workforce.

 

I agree but why should the fact we are having trouble getting fuel to the pumps and food on supermarket shelves be hidden, when it’s factually true Dave. Boss of Iceland, “ No need to panic buy” he was the first last Tuesday, Tescos last week, “we ask customers not to panic buy”
A fraud of Government Minister who goes by several different names , sometimes called Shapps said we have ample fuel. Very true, what the disingenuous fraud didn’t say was it was stuck in the refinery because there are insufficient drivers to distribute it for the needs of the country. People know they are liars ( more than happy to call them that because they won’t sue) and act accordingly. Hence the awful position we are in.

Supermarkets in our neck of the woods are in dire straights. Waitrose in a busy market town we were in last week was literally half empty. We left the place in shock!

It’s not good.

It’s not because of a leak of minutes of a meeting, you know and I know.

 

The lack of drivers is not a government thing you have to ask why we have had to depended on EU drivers in the past as were told its because these drivers returning home after Brxit is the reason we have a driver shortage, really nothing to do with the shit pay, long hours etc.
Once again we're told produce can't be cropped because of a shortage of EU labour this situation says to me these employers are quite happy to pay minimum wage sometimes even less to run their particular business.
May be if these industries paid the going rate (which many say they will now to poach drivers) there may have been enough UK drivers rather than rely on cheap labour from Poland etc.
We hear the likes of the Labour Party go on about minimum wage etc but even people earning minimum wage many have their income improved with family credits etc, that's not paid by some sort of magic money tree but us tax papers so let's give these worker a living wage that doesn't need topping up, but that won't happen because both Labour and the Tories enjoy making out aon budget day they are actually dealing with the poorly paid.
So back to the employer pay the correct wage for the job and the working conditions and people will take them.

 

Cannot disagree with the pay and conditions debate whatsoever. However I do know petrol tanker drivers along with car transporter drivers are on extremely good salaries. They were , to my knowledge, the best paid in the industry.

What really really gets my goat is the poplulist stance the Conservative Party have taken up.

“We are concerned that HGV drivers are experiencing poor terms and conditions”

How very very convenient that argument is.

Can anyone, and I mean anyone provide me with one jot of evidence that the Conservatives have had issues with working peoples “ terms and conditions “ prior to say May of 2021.

They care about their own , clearly after voting in MP’s pay increases unchallenged for the last 11 years.

So it would be interesting to discover any mention of this “ care” they have for workers rights .

 

Wasn't Priti Patel (not my favourite politicians) saying exactly that when they brought in the point based immigration bill last year?

Of course it was mainly missed in the media as unions and employers were too busy arguing about her use of the term "low skilled workers" and wanting to keep the status quo of cheap and compliant labour.

 

She makes Cruella Devine look like Mother Theresa.

 

Don't forget these Tory Brexiteers are the very same who wrote Britannia unchained, effectively calling British workers 'lazy'. They don't give a flying fck about low paid workers and their conditions.

 

the irish border/GFA is actually a long standing and increasingly rare bipartisan issue in the US. We managed to piss off a govt whose main parties can barely even agree funding bills to keep the treasury lights on almost universally with our nonsense of messing about with the GFA. Naive to expect biden to press the EU to get a positive solution for a guy he is on record as not even liking on a personal level, who also cosied up to his predecessor who Biden likes even less. BoJo was banking on Trump still being in office when Brexit happened

 

I've read that and it was unnerving to say the least, convinced me that we have the free marketeer equivalent of corbyn's Labour in charge

 

So get this. Many of the people I know aren't buying petrol. Some have parked up, zero use. My sister is down to using less than a quarter than she would normally use. You can only fit so much petrol in any one tank.
If it's down to panic buying why is there a shortage? surely it would work it's way through, unless they are driving home, syphoning the petrol into cans and going back for more! Somehow I doubt it.
One word and one word only. Brexsht. No petrol shortage or panic buying in the EU.

 

Is that really a question? If everybody buys a whole months worth of petrol over the same weekend rather than spread out over time then of course it will cause places to run out. The same would happen with any commodity.

The initial issue wit a small amount of stations was to do with HGV driver shortages (and therefore Brexit) but the more wide scale issues was clearly down to buyer behavior.

 

China in crisis as much as the UK, Suppose even though it is China Brexit will be blamed by some
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-power-crunch-begins-weigh-economic-outlook-2021-09-27/

 

So 10 days later and there's no petrol shortages any more.

So is Brexit all fixed or was it mainly down to panic buying and media manipulation after all?

 

Absolutely.

This isn't to say Brexit won't or isn't causing issues but some people (and some media) are so desperate to pin everything on Brexit we're losing all perspective. it's become the go-to reason for absolutely everything and any observation that it's one - possibly minor - factor amongst many is completely washed over and it's whipped up to make "project fear" even more of a reality.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/america-is-choking-under-an-everything-shortage/620322/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/america-supply-chain-shortages

https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/food-shortages-2021/

Wonder if Brexit is causing issues in the Good Ol' USA as well?

 

what good does brexit do to an already fubar'd situation? where are the brexit benefits we were told we would be seeing?

 

We are recovering from a worldwide Pandemic and a shut down of the economy of a scale never known before, Put your brain in gear and give it a rest, We are the fastest growing economy in Europe with the EU lagging behind us Brexit will be fine

 

Excuses excuses excuses that all you brexiters do .

 

There is none at the moment, none that are easily distinguishable anyway.

But that doesn't mean that every bad thing had to be allocated to Brexit. It's bordering on desperation in some quarters. Just opening up how things are viewed will show that there are very similar problems across the world at the moment.

 

The cognitive dissonance one has to go through with Brexshters! We can grow and pick our own food using British workers whilst paying them significantly higher wages. We can pay the HGV drivers that transport the food higher wages and we can pay the low paid supermarket workers a higher wage too.
At the very same time we can reduce the price of food!
This all from Tworwy Brexshitters who opposed the minimum wage! John sht face Redwood, for one.