Brexit

The house is now taking about wether the "Speaker" should leave before the General Election, in other words not on the 31st October as was said by Bercow at the time.
He has graciously said his intention is to still leave on the 31st of October but if the house and the candidates for the "Speakers" job feel he should stay he is open to discussion.

 

Leave won - Boris will get in with a majority

Corbyn is going to fence sit and offer a 2nd ref if he wins which will split the remain vote. Who wants to vote lib dem? i dont but will but really dont want to. None of the 3 parties represent my views. Bring back Tony Blair life was good then.

Anyway, as a result of all that Boris will win.

Which makes the information on last nights Dispatches Ch4 a very scary thought. Extra 27billion a year in costs for the NHS. In order to get a free trade deal with USA. Take a watch on 4oD

 

Without some good quality MRP polling it’s impossible to say really how this might end up. There are a lot of moving parts.

Take Kensington for instance. Does a Lib Dem candidate increase the chances of a Labour win (Labour elected with ethnic minority support, with which Lib Dems generally don’t perform well, Lib Dems split affluent Tory vote) or a Tory win (Lib Dems underperform, but splits Labour vote and Tories hold their ground) or a Lib Dem win (generate sufficient ground among affluent Tory voters and bring across enough Labour support)?

It’s impossible to know the answer to this without investigating the underlying mechanics. And this is just one seat. And even THEN, everything we knew about the 2017 election was fundamentally worthless by the end of the short campaign.

This isn’t a foregone conclusion by a long shot.

 

It has to be better than the present situation.
As you say nothing should be taken for granted, will the Labour party put the likes if Yevette Cooper forward again to represent her present constituancy and seriously belive all she did ( along with others) to wreck the referedum result the electorate of Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford will vote for her.

 

I’d be extremely surprised if Yvette Cooper lost her seat. But that said, if we’re talking about 15,000 majority battleships being blown out of the water then almost anything is possible.

 

Agree about Blair he was a good PM and good for the country,
As for privatisation of the NHS its to late as anyone using it will know, nearly every procedure or appointment is farmed out to a private contractor like Spire or Living Care etc

 

Yes maybe not the best example, as I said friends and family from that area and they are not happy.

 

I think broadly, if the Tories can take Dewsbury it still wouldn’t be enough, if they take Halifax they’re on track. If they take Bradford South then we’re looking at sizeable majority territory. If they don’t take Keighley then it’s disaster territory for them.

Similarly, if Labour can hold on to its ground then it will have done well, since the Tories will likely be eaten into in southern constituencies/Scotland. If Labour can win in Morley then something dramatic is happening.

It’s a bit less clear for the Lib Dems. Watch out for Harrogate. If that goes Lib Dem, we’ve got a realigning. Problem for the Tories is that there are currently relatively speaking hardly any Lab/Lib marginals.

 

Think it will be much closer than people are anticipating. Labour are polling horribly but that's mostly because of the impossible tightrope they've been navigating on Brexit. Most people don't actually care that much about Brexit either way though and are sick of having had it shoved down their throats for the last 3 years. Labour are stronger than the Tories on pretty much every other issue and that'll come to the forefront more during the campaigning, plus people will think more about how difficult these last 9 years have actually been under successive Tory governments.

 

If you think these last 9 years have been bad, think about if McDonnell should ever get his hand in your pocket...

 

Watch that documentary PLEASE. And get other leave voters to watch it and then when we leave make sure they dont allow it.

People need to watch it. We cant afford 27billion extra a year on drugs we already get for 18billion. It makes a mockery of the fact we pay 10billion to the eu.

I dont want to get into an argument about the eu but we still cant let american pharma hike prices because they can get away with it in deregulated america. Everyone needs to see it and be up in arms. IMO

 

Boris has a plan that leave voters can get behind. Corbyn has nothing but more of the same drivel everyone has hated to hear for the past 3 years. Corbyn is May 2.0 and Boris has something tangible. Corbyn has the chance to reach out to concerned working class voters in the referendum and denounce the focus on immigration and point the finger of blame for the woes of working class people on the torys. He didnt, and now we have him unable to backtrack, remain and reform becoming dirty words. Boris played a great game and now he will win.

Some people will be over the moon but for me its heartbreaking as a result Labour will never ever get my vote again. I may even leave the country.

 

FBPE?

 

It is just scaremongering, We already get cheap deals from the USA for drugs why would it change? Just recently we have negotiated a drug for cystic fibrosis from the USA that is considerably cheaper than supplied to other countries including the EU,

 

I agree but you havent watched it. If you do you will see thats all up for grabs in a free trade agreement. From the horses mouth, USA pharma, donald trump and more all quoting it. Just watch it, make your own mind up before jumping to conclusions.

 

Follow Back Pro Europe

I think he was suggesting that I am one, i could be wrong, because I dont like labours record on brexit or corbyn. Its the go to insult for anyone who could dare disagree with the almighty leaders omnipotence.

 

Disagree, as I’ve said, that this is a done deal.

Corbyn was practically born to run the campaign trail. I agree that they maybe haven’t played their hand spectacularly over the past few months, but Labour have been desperate to talk domestic policy issues, and this is exactly that platform.

It has to be said also that Dominic Cummings has so far shown himself to be significantly less than mercurial in his talents, to date.

 

It is all well and good some parties saying the election is about more than Brexit but it will dominate the campaign

 

Large majority
If Cons winn,Boris brixit
If Lib/dems win, revoke brexit
If Labor win, Who knows
Election and referendum in one
One word 'Simples'

 

Only people (like you?) with very deep pockets need worry about that. Ordinary people with reasonable incomes and modest wealth would be fine. McDonnell isn't stupid; he knows that swingeing tax increases across the board would alienate voters and cause stock market panic.
But the very wealthy need to pay their fair share. This country is desperate for investment and it has to come from somewhere. The rich have been on investment strike here for decades - choosing to put their ever increasing wealth in overseas havens despite our very low tax rates. That has to stop. We have become criminally over-reliant on inward investment from overseas, leaving us desperately vulnerable. We have to find ways of making the rich contribute more to our economy.