Brexit

Lets not just lay the blame at the door of Johnson, every one of them has some culpability, some more than others. Johnson, as much as he is loathed by some, is just a figure head. No matter who was at the helm would have got exactly the same reaction from the opposition benches. We are at a stalemate because thats exactly where the house wants us to be. And none of it is for our benefit, merely the vested interests and agendas of the ones who stand to win or lose in their pockets.

 

Not even Ken Clarke? I know hes a remainer but still he is pretty fair and voted for brexit each time.

 

Not even him. I actually wish i did trust some of them to move this country forward for a fairer society, whether that be with or without membership of the EU.

 

It wouldn't touch it now, no country on earth would want it, it's still a bizarre & bonkers sectarian place where "normal" is not considered normal anywhere else, it'll take another generation at least.

 

Been announced today that comedy corbyn would agree to an early election subject to the following 2 conditions....
1) No deal is taken off the table
2) Everybody promises to vote Labour

 

There you have it, an extension has been agreed until the end of January 2020. This means that No deal is firmly off the table until the other side of a general election, should one be granted.

So it's over to Labour no to back a General Election, they have been calling for one and No Deal has been taken off the table so excuses are running a bit thin on not to back one.

It also seems the SNP and Lib Dems are ready to table a bill if a General Election motion doesn't pass, which would take Labour out of the loop altogether as they would only need a majority, Tories + Lib Dems + SNP = majority.

I would say it would be highly damaging for Labour to reject a General Election only to find themselves fighting one on a vote later in the week, but can Corbyn get Labour to back one prior to a bill later in the week when many of the MPs are in leave seats and fearful of losing their £80k + expenses jobs?

 

Labour are so unellectable its ridiculous. They realise their base now firmly straddles both remain and leave and simply cannot form an opinion. What a waste of space they have been since 2010.

The position on brexit is we now need a referendum IMO and if we cant get that a GE. The latest extension will no doubt be our last. Any further delay will just lead to No Deal.

Im starting to see the winds of change shift further and further away from remain/referendum amongst MPs. But this will cause havoc for years as remainers become the new disenfranchised group with lack of representation. Society has created a new identity and unfortunately for leavers this group has money, has jobs, has power so we wont be going quietly.

For now Id say leavers have finally won. However if the forecasts were always correct and we end up tanking the economy you might see that we end up hard remaining and saying bye bye to the pound and the like. You brexiteers need to get the economy right, get the 48% on side and say sorry for the lack of grace otherwise you may have inadvertently begun the process for the end of the UK as we know it.

 

Sorry................!! good luck with that....

 

Well gents there we have it with the possibility of no deal being taken off the table with the EUs generous extension until the end of January 2020 we have a vote brought by the Lib/Dems & SNP to bring the General Election on.................................guess who bottled out of it, the very party that said once the no deal could not happen bring the General Election on.

 

Really don’t understand Labour’s GE position. Why on earth do they want to go into an election being the only party that didn’t want it?

For the Lib Dems, it’s a case of no election meaning certainly leaving the EU - they have to roll the dice. But Labour are now in a position where the other parties can call an election for them and leave them totally beached. Still maintain, as I said at the time, September was the time to jump.

 

That said, I really don’t think victory is as straightforward for the Tories as a lot of people seem to think.

The electoral map is very difficult this time around. And I think a lot of Remain voters are going to see this as ‘last chance saloon’ (because...well, it is) and organise themselves in a way that makes life extremely difficult for them.

 

The remain, Leave situation will be interesting, The nature of the constituency system will in some cases negate the effect of this, For instance you can have two constituencies both with
a Tory MP but if the boundary commission moved the border between them a little to equal them numbers wise as they sometimes do it could well be that 2 Labour or one of each are elected,

 

Labour will back an election tonight. They have to. I refuse to believe they’re stupid enough not to when it’ll probably pass anyway.

 

It will be interesting if its a hung Parliament, will the Tories accept Farage's offer of coalition.
If as many were saying Boris wants a hard/no deal brexit a coalition with Farage would make it unstoppable.

 

He will if Farage gets any mp's...!! Farage could yet *@?$ the whole thing up unless he's careful...

 

Yes the brexit vote could be split without doubt, as could the remain vote, there are at least 3 choices there although Labour will try to sell the party differently to the electorate.
I think you posted in the past if the Tory's and the Brexit party used their heads and put relevant candidates into constituencies that voted brexit and a Tory into a nailed on Tory constituency they IMO would get a big majority within Parliament, then we would see if the EU would sit up and take notice.