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BCST meeting with Edin

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by bantam2708, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. bantam2708

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    BCST Board meeting with Edin Rahic & other representatives of Bradford City

    On the 16th October 2018 members of the Bradford City Supporters Trust Board met with representatives of Bradford City Football Club - Edin Rahic (Chairman and Co-Owner), Paula Watson (Head of Operations), Michael Shackleton (Commercial Manager), and Ryan Sparks (Media and PR Manager).



    We (the Supporters Trust) started out outlining the role of Supporters Trusts with football clubs and the Trust's national remit (via Supporters Direct). We explained that we were representing our members. The Trust put questions from its members to the Club’s representatives.



    We began by asking what had kick-started the decline from the Yeovil game last season. This led to a broader discussion about how many "small puzzles turned into a typhoon", to quote Edin. Many small things had built up, which started the decline. It was clear that Edin believes the FA Cup is a key competition for the club financially. He felt the Club had missed a key opportunity against Manchester United, an opportunity to raise revenue and strengthen its position in the transfer market. Despite large offers being made to bring proven players into the Club, this lost revenue may have impacted on the funds available for key targets. It is our understanding this coincided with the opening of the January Transfer Window. Offers were made by rivals for key Bradford City Players, which the club declined to accept. This caused issues with players which had big impacts within the dressing room, affecting moral and contributing to decline in results and loss of form, which the club have not recovered from. This ultimately led to a change of football management.



    Following Stuart McCall’s departure, Edin employed a manager based on his record of a high pedigree at our level. This was widely accepted as a good appointment by the majority of Bradford City fans and the wider football community. Between the combined circumstances of bad weather and postponed matches, a tough run of fixtures, and weather related issues with the training ground, the Club never saw the immediate change of fortunes to cement themselves as serious play-off contenders. Also the effects of the adverse and prolonged bad weather during Simon Grayson's management caused a number of issues for training. The Trust Board questioned why Simon Grayson did not extend his stay beyond the end of the season; this was explained as "Simon saw himself as a Championship Manager", and a search for a new manager got underway.



    While the appointment of Simon Grayson was considered correct at the time, the owners accept that the appointment of the initial coaching team of Michael Collins, Martin Drury and Greg Abbott did not work out. A continued bad run of form resulted in the owners taking action and finding a replacement - with the season still very much to play for.



    The Trust questioned the Club representatives about investment over the summer months, recruitment strategy, and the emphasis on signing young playing talent. During the summer months large investments were put into the infrastructure of the Club, making it able to be more sustainable in the years to come. These included an upgrade to the drainage on the pitch, the ticket system, the customer management software, club shop, maintenance equipment, back office equipment for the club staff, and general much needed stadium maintenance. All of this was to prepare the Club for the future years, and for Championship football. There was also a significant increase in the rent for the ground and a very significant increase of electric bills, as well as a huge increase of water usage (due to better pitch drainage). In addition, Edin spoke of how the playing budget was significantly higher than last season. Despite reduced season-ticket revenue, it is a mark of the commitment to succeeding. Significant investment has also been made within the youth academy setup and performances have been very impressive, with a host of talented youngsters coming through the ranks.



    On the field, recruitment centred on up and coming talent and highly regarded prospects. The Club explained that contracts were offered to existing senior players - however these players chose not to accept these contracts and moved on, while some others did not want to be Bradford City players, and some players wished to move for personal reasons.



    The Trust's understanding is that the Club wanted to develop players to add value to the squad, with a view to being able to compete financially in the long term with the larger budget clubs, and eventually survive in the Championship. The Trust understands the benefits of buying already developed players for immediate results and also understands the benefits of youth development. This is a fine line to balance and current results would suggest that the Club need more investment in the January Transfer Window of proven players and players with experience at this level.



    We therefore questioned whether the Club believed the recruitment strategy was the correct one in the short term. The owners acknowledged the short-term requirement for a balanced squad. However it was emphasised that the current discontent from the stands – which is not helped by the run of results and current league position - is having a detrimental effect on the confidence and form of the existing squad. Edin told the Trust that the next few months are "vital" to Bradford City; it is vital that everyone makes Valley Parade as attractive a prospect as possible, as this will help determine the attractiveness of the Club to potential players ahead of the January Transfer Window.



    The Trust feels that any action at this time which would be detrimental to recruitment and to results, and potentially to the clubs League One status, would not be in the interests of the Club or the fans in the short term or long term.



    After Simon Grayson’s comments about the training facility when he left the Club in the summer, the Trust questioned what David Hopkin thought of the training ground and facilities. No such concerns have been expressed by David Hopkin. Paula Watson told the Trust that the bad weather in the early part of the year did cause issues for Simon Grayson but this was unavoidable.



    The Trust Board concluded by asking Edin about the lessons he had learnt during his tenure. Edin admitted that the business and culture in England was very different from that in Germany. However he expressed his commitment to the Club and to efforts to rectify the current on-pitch situation The Trust picked up on the fact that Edin is in regular dialogue with Julian Rhodes and possibly takes advice.



    While Edin expressed commitment to the Club and the importance of ongoing dialogue with supporters groups, he expressed concern that this was being undermined by a minority of individuals who have been xenophobic towards not only him but also his family. The Supporters Trust want Bradford City to be inclusive of everybody and to be a family friendly club. Therefore we condemn this kind of behaviour. Instead we welcome constructive ideas which we can discuss through ongoing and regular dialogue with the Club. We have agreed a further meeting in a month's time to discuss further concerns from fans, who can email their thoughts to us.



    We would like to say, that this was a very productive first meeting, and we didn’t expect answers to every question supporters have, and we are sure there are many, however, to ensure that discussions continue, trust is a key element for cementing relations. It is also important to underline the fact that we are an independent organisation, and as we have said before, there will be an opportunity for members and supporters to attend a meeting that we will organise and where we can discuss and debate the way forward.



    We hope that our next meeting with the Club will be after a run of positive results, and we ask for all supporters to get fully behind the team between now and January and hopefully be the 12th Man. Every point really could matter this season.

    Yours sincerely

    Manny Dominguez

    BCST Chair
     
  2. Bantamsmike

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    Wow. What a waste of time that was!
     
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    This. Just more evidence of how misguided our approach is.

    There’s so much guff in that statement it’s hard to know where to begin.
     
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  5. Dennis

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    What a waste of a golden opportunity!

    The trust has done little more than allow Rahic to express his points of view without challenge. There doesn't appear to have been any attempt to get behind some of the issues of the recent past and nothing said on his past statements - 'We'll support the manager in the January transfer window'; 'We're going to be open and transparent with the fans' and nothing of substance on how he and his co-owner will help to get us out of this current mess. There were plenty of opportunities to really test their thinking - eg how much investment will be required to get the club into the Championship - and yet Manny and co failed to follow up on these issues, every fecking one of them!

    In short, imo the trust has failed to take advantage of this meeting with Rahic and to get some some tangible commitments out of him to turn things around. What a waste of time for everybody .. except Rahic!
     
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    So it's the beast from the east fault we are in such a mess
     
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    So Grayson didn't accept the role because he sees himself as a championship manager. Bollocks!
    Why did he take it initially then before deciding later that he didn't like it.
     
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    I thought that was a great meeting. We got to hear some brand new bullshit excuses from edin. It was the weather's fault why Grayson couldn't get a tune of the players and if we don't sign anyone in January then it's our fault for creating bad atmosphere.

    You really couldn't make this up.
     
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    Why have I never heard of Ryan Sparks our PR and Media manager. He must be crap at PR work, as I've never seen any articles or media statements from him??

    A lengthy statement about the meeting, but unless I've overlooked it, no challenge aimed at Rahic as to why he sacked McCall when we were still in a play off spot .

    Also if they admit they got it wrong with the coaching appointments and structure in the summer, how come 2 out of 3 of them are still here and only Collins has been made a scapegoat?
     
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    Hogwash , what a waste of 3 mins reading that total ballcocks .
     
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    No it's the fans fault for not getting behind the team. Apparently.
     
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    3 mins your wife must have read it to you ........ :kissing_heart:
     
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    Yes, Edin has made a pre-emptive strike against the supporters. He knows full well that the vast majority are turning against him, and now he is trying to turn that into a future excuse for things continuing to go downhill.

    I fear for the Club's future. Who will rid us of this turbulent egoist?
     
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    It’s the same crock of shite he came out with at the fans forum . Give your head a shake edin
     
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    Well thanks for clearing up our questions BCST & Rahic. It’s all us nasty fans fault and a few weeks of winter weather, oh and Stuart McCall for us losing at Yeovil and missing out on Man Utd in the cup.

    Ffs there’s no end to this prick and his arrogant bollocks!
     
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    Read it with the hovis music on in the back ground and it brings tears to your eyes.
     
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    What a dissapointment that is. It is the fans fault for not providing the right atmosphere to attract players and sponsors!! Sorry Edin this will not do, constantly hiding behind its the weather, fans, and the caretaker if we still have one’s fault. The first part of learning is a recognition of your own input to the mess.

    It might well be a critical phase for City in the next few weeks, but we have also heard that one before. ‘Give me time, this is the most important appointment for Bradford City, then he goes and employs a reluctant, cheap and inexperienced coach he could find’

    Come back and discuss when he wants to behave and demonstrate he is actually an adult!

    We need proper supporters group, that will be able to challenge Edin about some of those decisions,plus the financial health of the club. He talks about investment in his youth policy, that is not his personal wealth or Rupp’s, it is from the working capital of the club.
     
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    He does know that it was only a pick of ball that we could have got man United doesn’t he ? A different name in the hat and we could as easily have got Hyde . Am sick of hearing that nonsense.
     
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    ‘This led to a broader discussion about how many "small puzzles turned into a typhoon", to quote Edin. Many small things had built up, which started the decline’

    The epitome of poor leadership. Allowing for multiple and incremental failures due to being unable to recognise and/or respond accordingly.

    ‘It was clear that Edin believes the FA Cup is a key competition for the club financially. He felt the Club had missed a key opportunity against Manchester United, an opportunity to raise revenue and strengthen its position in the transfer market. Despite large offers being made to bring proven players into the Club, this lost revenue may have impacted on the funds available for key targets. It is our understanding this coincided with the opening of the January Transfer Window. Offers were made by rivals for key Bradford City Players, which the club declined to accept. This caused issues with players which had big impacts within the dressing room, affecting moral and contributing to decline in results and loss of form, which the club have not recovered from. This ultimately led to a change of football management.’

    Ah yes. The financial impact of going out of the cup early was so severe that we had no choice but to reject offers for some of our players and increase the playing budget for the following season.

    ‘Following Stuart McCall’s departure, Edin employed a manager based on his record of a high pedigree at our level. This was widely accepted as a good appointment by the majority of Bradford City fans and the wider football community’.

    Maybe. But lets not mention anything about the ridiculous decision to sack Stuart in the first place; a decision they clearly couldn’t wait to take.

    ‘Between the combined circumstances of bad weather and postponed matches, a tough run of fixtures, and weather related issues with the training ground, the Club never saw the immediate change of fortunes to cement themselves as serious play-off contenders.’

    Ah yeah. The weather. That was the problem. And tough fixtures. Damn those tough fixtures.

    ‘Also the effects of the adverse and prolonged bad weather during Simon Grayson's management caused a number of issues for training. The Trust Board questioned why Simon Grayson did not extend his stay beyond the end of the season; this was explained as "Simon saw himself as a Championship Manager", and a search for a new manager got underway.’

    He never said anything of the sort. He was on record as disclosing his reasons for leaving being, essentially, that the club wouldn’t provide the tools needed for success at this level

    'The owners accept that the appointment of the initial coaching team of Michael Collins, Martin Drury and Greg Abbott did not work out’.

    They accept it do they?! Well, that’s nice.
    'The Trust questioned the Club representatives about investment over the summer months, recruitment strategy, and the emphasis on signing young playing talent. During the summer months large investments were put into the infrastructure of the Club, making it able to be more sustainable in the years to come. These included an upgrade to the drainage on the pitch, the ticket system, the customer management software, club shop, maintenance equipment, back office equipment for the club staff, and general much needed stadium maintenance. All of this was to prepare the Club for the future years, and for Championship football. There was also a significant increase in the rent for the ground and a very significant increase of electric bills, as well as a huge increase of water usage (due to better pitch drainage).'

    Outstanding. We’ve delivered the essential infrastructure improvements required to ensure that the club can be more sustainable. By increasing the bills.

    ‘In addition, Edin spoke of how the playing budget was significantly higher than last season.’

    OK. Who f*cked up?

    'Significant investment has also been made within the youth academy setup and performances have been very impressive, with a host of talented youngsters coming through the ranks.'

    What ranks? Which talented youngsters?!

    'We therefore questioned whether the Club believed the recruitment strategy was the correct one in the short term.'

    Was it being bottom out of all 92 clubs in the country during the course of 2018 that led to this ‘question’…?

    ‘The owners acknowledged the short-term requirement for a balanced squad.’

    OK. Who f*cked up. Again.

    'However it was emphasised that the current discontent from the stands – which is not helped by the run of results and current league position'

    Not helped by?! It’s the sole bloody cause of it!!! 92nd out of 92!!!!

    ‘Edin told the Trust that the next few months are "vital" to Bradford City. it is vital that everyone makes Valley Parade as attractive a prospect as possible, as this will help determine the attractiveness of the Club to potential players ahead of the January Transfer Window.’

    The LAST few were vital!! And he made a monumental f*ck up of it through incompetence and vanity. The level of support this club gets will be the SOLE attraction for players come January. Every single thing that serves as a deterrent will be at Edin’s door, and he has a f*cking cheek to suggest otherwise.

    ‘The Trust feels that any action at this time which would be detrimental to recruitment and to results, and potentially to the clubs League One status, would not be in the interests of the Club or the fans in the short term or long term.’

    As above.

    'After Simon Grayson’s comments about the training facility when he left the Club in the summer, the Trust questioned what David Hopkin thought of the training ground and facilities. No such concerns have been expressed by David Hopkin. Paula Watson told the Trust that the bad weather in the early part of the year did cause issues for Simon Grayson but this was unavoidable.
    ''The Trust Board concluded by asking Edin about the lessons he had learnt during his tenure.’

    FFS. Are they on the wind up?
    'While Edin expressed commitment to the Club and the importance of ongoing dialogue with supporters groups, he expressed concern that this was being undermined by a minority of individuals who have been xenophobic towards not only him but also his family.'

    Garbage. Any such issues are an extreme minority, the like of which all high profile figures have to contend with. And when they continue to show contempt for their staff and customers, and demonstrate their incompetence on a continual basis, they have to expect some degree of unpleasantness. To keep raising it as an issue is either a deliberate deflection tactic or another indication of how hopelessly ill-equipped he is for the role he’s taken on.

    In short, what a load of bollocks.
     
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    i was going to say I’m lost for words. Surprised? Nope, having had dealings with some of the BCST in the past they are a waste of space. If and when, Rack & Ruin get bored and leave & fans are left to pick up the pieces...again. These 2 organisations need to be held to account.
     
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