Are we moving to new stadium at odsal (now with Poll)

There is something in this but would make little difference at places like Huddersfield. I've been there countless times, never once have i thought the atmosphere was poor due to the stadium design. I thinks its due more today with how football has changed in this country to what it is now. Seating, higher prices, more of an emphasis on the corporate customer, less seats available for away fans at bigger clubs. Look at old grounds like Selhurst Park and Fratton Park, not designed with any sound retaining in mind but renowned for brilliant atmosphere because of the fans.

 

The noise was great by the City fans within the stand (which is the best one)¥ - but a lot dissipates into the air and is not retained in the stadium.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/john-smiths-stadium-huddersfield-town-9094615

 

There are some good examples of poor stadium design, Stoke City's being a prime example, open corners allowing a biting wind across the stadium. The Emirates another, 3 non descript tiers completely uniform. My like of Huddersfield stadium was that the design was somewhat different to the soulless box designs of the likes of Wigan, Millwall and Blackburn.

 

It is more pleasing on the eye but for me an important key to any design should be to try and retain the noise generated by fans. This is a major flaw in the Huddersfield stadium imho if you are ever shopping in the area or playing footie in the area it is surprising how the noise can be heard coming from it and gave the impression it must be like a cauldron of noise. That is why when I first visited it I was disappointed with the noise generated by the home fans.

 

That can happen anywhere. Valley parade is fairly packed in but when i used to play cricket on King George playing fields on match day you could hear when a team scored. Take a look at Seattle Seahawks stadium, completely wide open with no roof but officially the loudest support in the world. And thats without a roof and one end open.

 

're Seattle that is surprising.

 

Yeah it was measured fro the record, think it was 2013. I do admit to a mistake on the stadium there is a curved roof on the two touchline sides.

 

These problems will only get worse under conservatives and people just thinking about themselves.

Unfortunately, the council have to think about making money as they wasted a load of money.

If it means spending 20-30m for example to generate a return on investment then they will think about it. It's the same as putting speed cameras all over then try to say it's for our safety when we all know it's to generate revenue.

 

we pay around £400K to £500k in rent by the lease end and if we renew the deal we have now will have the same built in increases every few years, If we could get one how much could we borrow on a mortgage for that amount for a new stadium?

 

Brentford’s new ground will never expand by 10k seats

 

Thanks Dennis, Would it be viable to get a commercial loan or mortgage to repay the rumoured £5million that the pension fund would want? Thus eventual owing the ground and an asset

 

Completely agree Den, sometimes wonder on peoples economic skills. Its a similar scenario with Liverpool and their new stand, costing £110million they need to account for how it will pay for itself, going down the route of the corporate sector with more boxes and seats available to package deals helps bring more money in than the average ticket paying fan. Just had a google and the money was loaned by the owners FSG at an interest rate of 1.24%, matchday revenue was up from £62 to £74 million in 2016/17. So effectively the new stand pays for itself in about 9 nine years then its pure profit minus any refurbishment/maintenance work costs. We are a different scenario but the principle is the same. Want to build something? You're going to have to borrow the money, and then someones got to pay it back. Unless you go the BFG route.

 

I don't think as a club we'd ever be able to look that far forward in terms of paying off long term mortgages on an asset that is construction wise fairly old now. Could possibly understand it with a new built asset but i think being essentially tenants suits us better. Will be interesting to know what the club is thinking in relation to when the lease runs out. Big decision signing up again for 25 years. Could the club signing a shorter term lease?

 

Parts of the stadium are already past their best and into the new lease will need a sizeable maintenance and refurbishment schedule. All the corporate areas are outdated and there's a significant cost, i guess at well into 6 figures to properly refurbish them. General wear and tear and seat replacement doesn't come cheap either, although i presume the contract negotiators know a lot more about this than I do. Work on lease talks would have to take into account the possible building and feasibility of a new stadium and how long that would take with planning and construction. Leave it too late and the new stadium is no longer an option on the table.

 

But we need to aim to get in with the big boys. You know like Mr Rupp said we would be in the PL.

Bradford City and people are so downbeat. Never this can do or find a way attitude.

Why do we need a 25k stadium?

Do we currently pay for all costs, improvements at VP? Is the lease 25 years?

I think we need to look at all alternatives and not rule any out.

We make excuses not to do things. Are the same excuses will be made for a new training ground. @Interested Bystander might be able to tell us more but I believe West Ham fans are protesting tomorrow against the owners due to a lack of off the field development. That's fans that want to move the club forward. Us we just sit back and make excuses.

How about top scientists, youth development coaches like @Faithful Bantam said that Chelsea have?

We need some vision to take this club forward as it's going backwards. We can't just make excuses.

Again, what's the point in Mr Rupp if he isn't going to spend his money?