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Plans and Vision

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Kevin1954, Apr 1, 2024.

  1. donhutchinsaffro

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    personally who cares has long as you apologize or amend after ......if pulled up.... its easy to misread I am usually doing my job and moving and selling three house sorry so its easy done... thats not meant to be arrogant I am just selling two to do my forever home up. Any way whats next ?
     
  2. Kevin1954

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    Dont have an issue with any of that FB however

    1) The ground “asset”,is worth far less than what Gibb would want as a sale price. His job is in effect to protect the pension funds income and as long as we have nowhere to go then he will do so safe in the knowledge he has a regular income . Anyone worth his salt wishing to buy would realise it’s only good for one function , a football stadia , for anything else it’s scrap metal, cheap land minus demolition costs which would properly outweighs land value.

    2) How do you sustain a “performance culture” for travel ? It’s coach hire on an annual contract basis and hotels charge group accommodation according to their tariffs . Not sure what you mean by having a culture for something that is hired in.

    3) I see where you are going but ….. Where is the flexibility if one has a club “style” , what is it , how is it implemented , who by and most importantly what happens if it doesn’t work? The “ style” goes out of the window and the DoF gets the sack that’s what. So then what , do we recruit to the old style or a new style that just happens to be flavour of the month.?

    It’s a huge conundrum , remember Gillingham have a new style and new philosophy . It’s cost the US owners a fortune so far. They spent an awful lot on recruitment and/ or player signing on fees and wages. They are like us, on their second manager this season and lost 5-1 at the weekend . What exactly is their style, I haven’t the foggiest, other than buy your way out of the division and rely on continued success.

    If you and I knew the answer to this football mullarky we would be rich?
     
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  3. Campbell's soup

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    May I be the first to say...
    "Feck off out of our club Faithful"
    :joy:
     
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  4. Onside

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    :joy::joy:
     
  5. JonButterfield

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    This didn't even make sense Kevin.
     
  6. Faithful Bantam

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    1. We have to break this mentality of us being over a barrel. Its a problem that needs to be solved, and merely shrugging the shoulders and maintaining the status quo won't cut it. So, its less about whether the buy-back is a fair 'asking price', and more about whether it stacks up against the cost of another lease. Enough is enough, we have to find solutions, and that may come at a cost - buts its a cost that adds value into the club, rather than the Flamingo Land Pension fund.

    2. Its about accepting that doing things properly and giving you the best chance of success, brings a price tag. I mention travel as an example - I don't know its the case, but are we making our travel arrangements based on the lowest possible cost rather than what's best for success? Are we minimising overnight stays because its cheaper, even if that impacts on readiness and recovery etc. Its just one example, but we need to invest in all aspects of setting ourselves up for success instead of cutting corners.

    3. Style is about a set of principles that you stick to. You still need flexibility within that. For example, either you embrace a still that priortises technique and a measured, slower paced build up of player - which will hone the type of player you sign, or maybe you focus on being more direct and physical. I've got no idea about Gillingham and tbh, I couldn't care less. But unless you have a sense of what type of football you want to build your club around, the recruitment and coaching will always be haphazard, and you're always starting from scratch with each new manager.
     
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  7. Onside

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    As in other walks of life you get what you pay for.
     
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  8. hornseabantam

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    Er....what?
     
  9. hornseabantam

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    Faithful, Bazball is a great example of what you're talking about. Going all in on this has created some bloody exciting cricket, more test wins than for many a year and a fresh crop of players who play with confidence thanks to backing from the management team. Yes, there have been mistakes and *@?$-ups along the way, but Baz, Stokes et al have introduced a philosophy that seems to thrive on learning, continually making tweaks, admitting they're not always right but believing in the outcome.
     
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  10. Faithful Bantam

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    More than anything, I believe fans just want to see reasonable ambition, and a plan. A modest but tangible aspiration of wanting to move forward, and how we're aiming to do it. Because you'll never land on a plan that everyone agrees with. We all have different views on tactics, football style etc. But if the club committed it's approach to fans, and demonstrated alignment to how we recruit and make decisions against that plan, you earn the right to ask for patience from fans, and it becomes easier to back the club during times when the plan seems to struggle.
     
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  11. Bigrod

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    As far as l am aware, the ground is not up for sale. Have you any information that it is?

    It is a very nice little earner for the Flamingo Land Pension fund. We have nowhere else to go.

    I understand that the rent is now in excess £400,000 per season (happy for someone to provide more accurate figures).

    So some very simple arithmetic would suggest that say 20 seasons at £400,000 would generate £8,000,000! The pension fund has to do very little to generate that money.

    Why would they want to sell? Unless you know differently, then we cannot compel them to do so.

    In essence we are stuck unless the greatest hole in the world, is transformed into a magnificent SupaDome!

    Where could we play in the alternative?
     
  12. Faithful Bantam

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    Everything is for a sale, at a price. No one else is going to pay to use the ground, so that's the bit of leverage we have, and need to use.

    It's a problem that we've had long enough to plan for, and it needs resolving. Simple as that. We have a very wealthy owner, and simply rolling over for another lease and moaning about how the rent holds us back, is not good enough.
     
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  13. Bigrod

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    We would need an 18,000 capacity stadium, to relocate to.

    Apart from the greatest hole in the world, there isn’t a stadium in the rest of Bradford MBC, which is large enough.

    Nearby the Dog Kennels is already used by Udders and the Rugby League team. The Shay is falling to pieces, too small and also is used by two professional sports. I am sure the vast majority wouldn’t want to go to Hellhound Road, East of Pudsey.

    That leaves Headingley. But how many would be comfortable going to watch matches in Leeds? Additionally l believe that they also host some Rugby Union games.

    A new build stadium, would cost somewhere between £35-45 million. Given the topography, you would struggle to find a suitable area, with access and infrastructure.

    Add on the sum the Pension Fund can generate, then it is a ‘No Brainer’ that they hold onto it and lease it to City.
     
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  14. Loyalbantam

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    The council could assist with some compulsory purchase orders to free up adequate land if we were serious about building a new stadium near to the city centre
     
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  15. Kevin1954

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    It’s not difficult…… I’ll sustain what’s in my pocket whilst someone else spends their money.
     
  16. Loyalbantam

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    Don’t get me started.
    This whole topic boils my piss when people insist we’re over a barrel. We’re not, absolutely not.
    We don’t currently need 25000 seats
     
  17. Rogered Tart

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    i think we might have done this one before but first of all, where are we going to play? Lets decide that and take it from there.
     
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  18. Bigrod

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    Maybe not at present. But recently we have had around 18,000, where do you suggest we go to? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1427322/efl-league-two-attendance-by-club/#:~:text=Average attendance in EFL League Two 2022-2023, by club&text=In 2022/23, Bradford City,County was just under 9,000.

    If you look at my post l specifically said 18,000 not 25,000.
     
  19. Faithful Bantam

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    We won't need an 18k stadium at this rate.

    But in any event, we have, what 3 years left on the lease? So we need to get cracking. It's time enough to build a stadium. Even if we had to share somewhere for a year, there's odsal, Elland Road, Huddersfield.

    These are all challenges that can be overcome, but as ever as a we seem to shrug our shoulders and give up.

    It's a material issue, and it's the responsibility of the club to resolve it properly, rather than sleepwalk us into another sh*tty lease agreement.

    PS, I guarantee that if it were in conjunction with a modern and exciting new stadium, anyone willing to go to VP for games currently would absolutely swallow a season of home games at Elland Road.
     
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  20. Bigrod

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    It took Wimbledon around 5 years from Planning approval to opening.

    l explained that Udders is used by Town and the Giants. Are you really suggesting they could accommodate City as well.

    Why would Leeds agree to City playing there? How many would want to go to that Stadium? How much do you think it would cost?

    Have you identified a suitable vacant plot, near major transport hubs/routes, which could accommodate a stadium and the necessary surrounding infrastructure?
     

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