Brexit

We were told Brexit would bring record unemployment but the reality is the opposite. We have record numbers in work

 

And massive labour shortages in vital public services and the hospitality industry.

 

You cling on to that old Chesnutt with dear life dont you?

By your rationale we were also told that we would have a trade deal with the USA. We were told the trade deal with the eu would be the easiest in history. We were told a lot of stuff that never came about.

What is your opinion on the post brexit customs backlog and increase costs to business to trade with the eu?

 

Is honesty is politics still important? If so it's probably worthwhile remembering that the "oven ready deal" had nothing to do with worldwide trade and was simply about the deal to leave the EU. That element was actually remarkably quick and simple once a deadline was in place and there was a majority in Parliament who could stop all the game playing to reverse the vote.

I don't think even Boris said that a trade deal with the US would be quick. I'm not even sure it will happen in my lifetime (similarly I'm not sure the EU will have one either) simply because the US don't have any push to agree one. If they actually get one it will be a massive achievement although, like the New Zealand deals when that one was signed, I'm sure that some people will then focus on where free trade will hurt sectors of our economy which are damaged by the removal of protectionist tariffs.

Actually glad to hear Truss state simply that it's not a high priority and won't be quick.

 

This Brexit malarkey is really powerful isn't it. Causing these sorts of shortages the world over, who knew the UK was so influential it could affect the US labour market?

 

Who cares about a trade deal with the US? with average tariffs of 2% it is hardly a problem which is why they and ourselves have previously not been that interested. AS for the EU we already have a tariff free trade deal in place although some seem not to be aware of it.,

 

Yes, it's a widespread problem. But only a fool would deny that Brexit' has made it worse for us than it otherwise would have been. Many employers in various sectors have confirmed that it's now much harder to get staff from Europe than it was before Brexit'.

 

Or - some people have to view everything through the prism of Brexit.

Every time there is a worldwide problem then it's very easy to say that Brexit makes it worse. It's every single time. Obviously getting staff in from Europe is harder (although many from the hospitality sector have always been from outside of the EU of course but that doesn't quite fit the narrative) but the underlying issue is not particular to one country therefore to pin it as "because of Brexit" is as stupid as all the other worldwide issues currently occurring.

 

My business faces higher costs because of brexit. UK trade to the EU has fallen dramatically because of brexit. Has it been replaced with other markets? NO

You just typed three posts of piffle as per usual

 

All of this is probably true. Although as usual I will point out that part of the reason why your business faces higher costs is because the EU runs a protectionist regeime to limit outside competition, as is it's right, but something that I don't particularly agree with.

But none of it has to do with what I wrote. As per usual.

If we're talking about A and you then make a point about B it's not really good debating to be fair.

 

The EU had those rules in place before brexit. Its not something new they added to punish us. They were the rules of the game and we voted for it. So your point is completely moot about protectionism.

You made the same point about passport checks that the EU should change its rules now that we are out. But you dont even go that far you cant actually believe these rules exist and you believe they should be scrapped because otherwise they are just being difficult. That in itself shows you know bugger all about the EU and so I generally ignore what you say about it now.

 

I know they were the rules we voted for. You keep making the same point and I keep acknowledging it. That doesn't mean they are perfect or not part of your pain though.

I'm not sure I said they should change them. In an ideal world they probably should so I might have done, but in general the main point I keep making is that bad rules and rules that are made purely to make trade more difficult should be carefully monitored and minimised where possible whether those rules come from the UK, EU, USA or anywhere else. Whether they want to scrap them is up to them but when you're complaining about the impact of the rules at least acknowledge that they are caused by BOTH Brexit and the EUs focus on making trade pointlessly difficult from outside the boundaries they set......as is their right.

But you've done your usual thing of jumping into a discussion about labour shortages and starting talking about something completely different and specifically a topic that nobody really disagrees with you on. Some companies and industries have been exposed to higher costs post Brexit......you keep shouting into a void....very few people actually disagree with you about that at all but you keep wanting to insert it into every single discussion.

 

Yet you keep replying to make your point, I see after the Bank Holiday weekend fiasco where the French did not man up all their customs posts we have not heard a whimper with regards passport control, very selective reporting.

 

Too many lazy people who would rather exist on benefits than go out and do a honest days graft.

 

When 6 to 8 million people are sick and waiting for treatment on the NHS is it any wonder we have a shortage of workers

 

No one is saying it's all because of Brexit. That's an Aunt Sally you've thrown up to knock down. But, I repeat, only a fool would deny that Brexit' is making the situation worse for us, as numerous businesses will attest.

 

What a load of total and utter bollocks. Unemployment is at one of the lowest rates since 1974. So our labour shortage is not caused by people choosing not to work. It's a supply shortage, caused by a number of factors, of which Brexit is one.

 

Theres been quite a lot actually but prob not in the news you read

 

Takes one to know one i guess... 'Idle' bantam