American Election

Trump has instructed his aides to employ Ray Donovan to get him out of this mess.

 

But what the hell are they supposed to do? From the start of his presidency (eg his manifestly false inflation of crowd numbers at his poorly attended inauguration ceremony) Trump has branded any facts which are adverse to what he sees as his image or interests as 'Fake News'. He is a serial liar. By July 2020 the Washington Post had counted 20,000 misleading or false statements made by him.
OK, all politicians spin stuff to some degree, but Trump is off the scale. He has taken lying to levels unimaginable in any mature western democracy. He appears to believe that the function of the media is to make him look as good as he thinks he is. The media don't see it that way, thank goodness.

 

Unless both Georgia Democrats win the Senate run- offs in January Biden's going to be hamstrung by an antagonistic Senate led by Mitch McConnell which will block him every chance it gets.
The point about Joe Biden is not so much about what he's going to do, as the huge damage he will have prevented by stopping another four years of Trump's wrecking ball. Even if he does nothing at all, the world, and the institutions of US democracy, can be grateful for his removal of the would be dictator.

 

The media are supposed to be impartial - its getting dangerously close to brainwashing.
He's been 'misquoted' on numerous occasions - e.g the 'bleach' comment. Yes, he did say it, but it was spun and delivered out of context. There's numerous other instances.
He's a dick and a braggart and should never have been anywhere near the White House, but the Democrats put that evil B!tch Clinton up as their candidate, any Republican candidate would have walked the 2016 election.

 

Huh! The US media are pussycats compared to our set of attack dogs. And don't forget he had Fox News acting as the unofficial media propaganda arm of the GOP for four years.

I watched the footage of Trump talking about the possibility of using bleach internally to counter Covid. There was no need to misquote or take anything out of context - the words out of Trump's own mouth were quite sufficient to warrant the ridicule they received from nearly all quarters.

Trump galvanised millions of people to vote for him, many of whom normally don't vote or vote Democrat, because he represented an alternative to the career politicians they were sick of. But, even so, he only got elected because of the outdated Electoral College which gives more votes to rural states with tiny populations than massive Democrat strongholds like California. Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes. If the Republicans had stood a conventional GOP candidate Clinton would have smashed them into the middle of next century. The combination of the Trump effect and the Electoral College beat her but that wouldn't have happened with any other opponent.

 

Biden will reverse many of Trumps policies, It will bring huge unemployment, recession and even US troops used in war action abroad to support the American view, Dismiss or ridicule this prediction if you like but put a marker on it for 2 years time as it becomes true,

 

Reversal of which Trump policies will have these effects?

 

Trump, predictably holding up the smooth transition of power. This is the longest temper tantrum in history.
He's prepared to sit back and watch people die rather than let Biden get on with formulating a better response to the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/donald-trump-refusal-to-concede-transition-sabotage-fears-joe-biden?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

yes most of them especially on trade protection, Trump is an obnoxious person but his gut feeling for protecting the US in a world situation was spot on, reverse that and there will be trouble ahead for the citizens of the USA,

 

'Most of them'. Could you be any less specific?
He is going to specifically promote a 'made in all America' economic policy to protect and create jobs. Doesn't sound to me like someone who's going to sell their economy down the river to China.
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/11/07/a-primer-on-joe-bidens-fiscal-and-economic-policies/

 

Prepare for America being back at war with anyone they can find in the Middle East. About the only thing they will be able to achieve. More wars and more death. Fantastic

 

Not all bad, they have given ISIS a good hiding under Trump...

 

They already have a recession and huge unemployment trev, and thats under Trump right now. Still no evidence and its Tuesday

 

Not sure that was the case before Covid, employment was very high even in the Black communicates and there economy was racing ahead, without doubt he would have won before Covid.

 

Fact of the matter is that the president of the United States really ought to know better than to even suggest stuff like this. That was nowhere near the only time that happened. His words have consequences, and morons act on it without thinking.

It’s his job in a time of national crisis to produce a clear brief and instruction to people, not sit there idly speculating. If that doesn’t get reported in the way he wants it to be, then it’s manifestly his own fault. That’s assuming he’s not playing a them vs. us with his base, which he’s clearly doing now.

Media is sensational isn’t really all that new. But I’d suggest the brainwashing is going on much closer to Donald Trump than you suggest - and there’s a decently sized chunk of the American electorate who will pretty much do whatever he tells them to.

 

And then spent all year downplaying and mismanaging the response to a virus that disproportionately affects BAME communities, this was his election to lose against the worst presidential candidate in history by trump's own words, and he managed to lose it.

 

He didnt help himself I agree, my rely was with respect to the economy and unemployment record which were both very good.
Well never know if the virus was his down fall as you say his comments with regards Covid werent good with the death rates the US have.

Are you partying when you replied posting Today at 3:56 AM .

 

No mate I've spent a lot of my working life working nights and the habits stayed with me unfortunately! I post on here a lot at really weird times

 

One thing that does concern me with the US election is that the networks call the result even before the counts are complete and finished, They then expect the loser to concede on their say so and lambast the loser if he dare ask for the final official result before conceding, There should also be a complete ban on opinion polls a week before the elections as some US media outlets had some very misleading ones right up to the day of the election,

 

Why? This was never a problem, or even something that people ever really spoke seriously about until last week when the president tried to call his own victory in the hours after counts finished.

The networks put a lot of effort into the pretty hard skill of distinguishing between something that is practically impossible and statically impossible, and more so then ever this year. If you think this is premature, in the past networks have tried to call elections before the polls on the west coast have even closed.

Nobody has really tried to imply that the president should concede only on the network’s say so.

On polling, I kind of agree, kind of don’t. Where do you draw the line? A week out seems slightly arbitrary and you’d just end up with an outsized number of polls getting substantial attention that are by definition out of date.