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American Election

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Frank Castle, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. trevor

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    The loans will be secured on something, usually land or property, No bank lends without some form of security
     
  2. Storck

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    Exactly, so they will not have to work with him. Just grab the property now whilst the value is low.
     
  3. trevor

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    They would have to auction any property they took and if there was a surplus it would be returned to Trump,
     
  4. Storck

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    they would but it would be an easy win for them
     
  5. trevor

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    Not quite easy, There would be months of attempts at rescheduling and restructuring, It is the last resort of banks where debts of his size to foreclose, He is and will be an important customer that they make lots of money from, They will not want to kill the golden goose even if it is struggling
     
  6. Bronco

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    Take a chill pill my friend it was a a video clip I saw and I thought it might lighten the mood, obviously not, I didn't go into the details :rolleyes:.
     
  7. Dionysus

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    The problem is that these videos spread like wildfire and they’re completely misleading because they play in to confirmation bias.

    People use this kind thing to form and forge opinions of people and situations. You probably didn’t know that wasn’t representative of what was actually said, but that’s what makes this kind of thing really dangerous.

    This one might have looked like he didn’t understand the concept of...’being dead’. But there’ll be another twenty going around that are cut to make it look like someone’s having their livelihood threatened.
     
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    Nah, that's way too simplistic Al. Politicians are people. You can't tar them all with the same brush. I don't agree with Tories, but I can tell the difference between Ken Clark and Norman Tebbit or between Dominic Grieve and Philip Davies.
    Most politicians, of whatever stripe, go into politics because they believe they can contribute towards making society better (even if I don't agree with their definition of what a better society looks like). Yes, many of them get corrupted or cowed by the system along the way but some still retain integrity.

    Trump is different. Most of his life he's had no interest whatsoever in politics or politicians except in as much as he could wheedle money and favours from them. His decision to run for president was purely motivated by his narcissistic desire for personal adulation, fame and power. Once he realised he had a potential voter base for his brand of vindictive authoritarianism he cynically adopted a raft of policies and stances (anti-abortion, Bible waving etc) that would appeal to those people. He would drop those things in a heartbeat if he thought they were no longer contributing to his popularity. The man has no moral compass or shame whatsoever. Everything he says and does is filtered through the only thing that matters to him - his self image. He's a megalomaniac who simply cannot process the fact that he has lost the election fair and square.
     
  9. Rogered Tart

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    Yet 10s of millions voted for him. You can right some of them off as plain dumb but a lot believed in what he was doing.
     
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    Sure. The fact that he isn't a career politician appeals to many Americans, especially in the south and Midwest, for whom suspicion of Washington government is deeply ingrained. His bullying and boorish behaviour appeals to those who like a 'strong leader'. Religious zealots like his recently adopted anti- abortion policy and his packing the Supreme Court with right wing judges. Many white folks see demographic changes eroding their dominance and see Trump's racial discrimination as defence of their culture. Then there's the gun lobby and the anti-taxation, anti universal healthcare types. So, yes, there are many people who like him. But 5m more voted against him.
    The majority of Americans live in urban areas on the coasts and the in the north. The Republicans now primarily represent the rural south and Midwest - a much lower population. They are a minority party who've lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections. They should be nowhere near government but have cynically manipulated the system, using gerrymandering, suppression of voter registration and the blatantly unfair electoral college to cling to power. What's happened in Georgia shows what happens when a well organised campaign of voter registration maximises the BME vote. Let's hope that the Democrats can win the two run-offs in Georgia so that Biden isn't hamstrung from the start by an obstructive Republican controlled Senate. Biden needs to be able to enact legislation to tackle the pandemic and undo some of the damage Trump has caused.
     
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    This is a classic:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/27/fred-eshelman-sues-pro-trump-true-vote-election-lawsuits/6440272002/

    Well Mr. Eshelman, you may be a successful rich business man but you are also a sucker, a loser.
    You are getting fck all of your money back. Not only that but the money is better placed in the pockets of Trump and Giuliani than yours. Welcome to how Trump conducts business. You've just experienced an orange Trump turd rinsing.
    Oh and please don't forget to tell all your friends and family to donate as much as possible to the election fraud fund.
    Thanks.
     
  14. Dionysus

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    In case anyone fancied using political betting markets in future as an indicator for outcomes, you can still get odds of 1/20 with Betfair for Biden to win the election. Madness.
     
  15. YungNath

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    He very cynically seized on most americans inbuilt paranoia about government and dissatisfaction with the way things are, like any good populist demagogue. He won in 2016 because he just pointed at hilary and went im not her. That worked then because nobody knew how much of a bellend he was but he's had four years of showing everyone what he's actually like. The other problem being the democrats putting up candidates where its like they almost want to lose. They will never bat off the establishment dems attacks by putting up uninspiring career politicians.

    Edit - Also worth noting that progressive candidates won more seats than moderates, despite the moderates almost universally trying to round on progressive dems and blame them for the dems relatively poor showing in other races
     
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    America is a strange political landscape. I tried to understand how it works and it gave me a headache.
     
  17. Offcomedun

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    Trump is still taking his supporters for suckers. Apparently he has raised over $150m in donations to 'fight election fraud', mostly in small sums from individuals not businesses. Most of that money will go into funding his future political activities and to pay off his election expenses, not to legal challenges.
    Reported in Washington Post but the link is behind a paywall.

    "President Trump’s political operation has raised more than $150 million since Election Day, using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the election to shatter fundraising records set during the campaign, according to people with knowledge of the contributions.

    The influx of political donations is one reason Trump and some allies are inclined to continue a legal onslaught and public affairs blitz focused on baseless claims of election fraud, even as their attempts have repeatedly failed in court and as key states continue to certify wins for President-elect Joe Biden.

    Much of the money raised since the election is likely to go into an account for the president to use on political activities after he leaves office, while some of the contributions will go toward what’s left of the legal fight.

    The surge of donations is largely from small-dollar donors, campaign officials say, tapping into the president’s base of loyal and fervent donors who tend to contribute the most when they feel the president is under siege or facing unfair political attacks. The campaign has sent about 500 post-election fundraising pitches to donors, often with hyperbolic language about voter fraud and the like.

    “I need you now more than ever,” says one recent email that claims to be from the president. “The Recount Results were BOGUS,” another email subject line reads."

    Read more here: Washington Post – Trump raises more than $150 million appealing to false election claims
     
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    They hate each other more than anyone else to the point nothing really works anymore, thats about my take on it
     
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    anyone who donates to him at this point deserves all they get, he's barred from running charitable foundations for a reason
     
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    Why we look up to America as a bastion of freedom and democracy, I’ll never know. Listening to this bloke, it’s stopping just short of armed militia roaming the streets. Madness.
     

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