Exactly, while the change of rules a couple of years back means that it has to endanger a player to be a red in the box even if they are last man (as a red and a pen was deemed to harsh for many) when its outtside the box being last man and preventing a clear goal scoring opertunity is still supposed to be a red
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Keefly Bantam Important PlayerQatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 20Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Interested Bystander likes this.
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Edin Nowhere Impact SubP.L.22/23 Entrant
I said last week that because Firmino's goal was called offside on the pitch it wasn't clear and obvious at first glance to reverse it. It was inches either way at best so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
So what happens yesterday, Sheffield United score a goal that is given, everyone is on the pitch setup to kick off. 3 and a half minutes later VAR decided that in the phase prior to the goal (a Spurs player actually played the ball between the offside and the goal) that Sheffield United were offside.
It's a load of bollocks, last week the benefit of the doubt was given due to the call on the field, now the call on the field was goal and yet they claim clear and obvious evidence of an offside.
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Tennesseebantam Important PlayerP.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020
I read this morning that there is a meeting with Prem clubs on Thursday to discuss the whole thing. Clearly not working as intended.
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If you take it back just ten frames (thats about 1/10th of a second) this is line
Which is either Salah off or at best level. Its simply impossible to know when the contact actually happens and it changes things signficantlyStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Offcomedun likes this. -
Edin Nowhere Impact SubP.L.22/23 Entrant
It's pretty simple.
You go with the decision on the field unless you see clear evidence that the decision on the field is wrong, and you have 30 second to give the decision. Lets be honest if there is clear evidence that the decision is wrong you can see it straight away.
Example.
Arsenal score a goal at old Trafford that is given off-side, Harry Maguire is clearly playing everyone on by about 4 yards = clear and obvious.
Sheffield United at Spurs, goal is score VAR takes it back two phases of play, take 3min 40sec to come up with a decision = not clear and obvious if even wrong at all.
In Cricket they have umpires call, where if there is an element of doubt it goes with the call on the pitch, it works and it is simple. The thing is Cricket allows for 5 minute stoppages, football doesn't so it needs to cap these decisions timewise.Offcomedun likes this. -
So with the ref viewing it, if the VAR ref doesn't overrule his reasoning why is the ref going to do so. All it does is slow it down further, I suspect the clubs only want it because they feel they will be able to infulence the ref where they can't the video ref.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Interested Bystander likes this. -
Man City penalty for handball ignored by VAR as Liverpool ran down the other end and scored. As the punters said on MOTD: they knew this would happen and it happened in the most important game of the season and they were never going to overturn that after Liverpool scored. So why are we bothering with VAR if they are scared to use what it tells them?
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The idea that it rectifies "clear & obvious mistakes" is fair enough, BUT 3 minutes to determine a players armpit is offside, going back through phases makes a complete nonsense of the aim.
Over the weeks more and more fans around us are beginning to doubt they'll renew, though the way we're playing might have a bit to do with it.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Bronco likes this. -
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Slowed it down. It's not the best angle as you lose some of the depth which skews it a bit but it certainly hits something as the ball changes direction and it loosk to me on this and others its that area of upper arm, lower shoulder and upper chest making it 1 part handball, 2 parts legal contactStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Aleman likes this. -
VAR missed a Boufal handball in the assist for Southampton's first goal, today. They said nobody would have seen it yet I spotted it during the 2nd replay angle in the game highlights and not the obscure analysis angle chosen later on by the MOTD panel where they excused VAR for missing it. They pointed out that Watford have now lost out 3 times to incorrect VAR decisions. If a club is still losing out so badly to incorrect decisions, what is the point of spoiling the game with it and bringing in stupid rules like automatic handball for strikers but not defenders. VAR stinks. If I was a Watford fan, I'd be organising something equally incorrect and smelly outside FA offices in London - maybe one pile for each injustice!.
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And Evertons goal today was farcical. How can they say putting a hand in the keeper's face is normal contact?Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Interested Bystander likes this. -
Once again the call with regards VAR got it right but the referee got the decision wrong by giving Gazzaniga a yellow, this was posted after the Newport game so can anyone help me with the decision the referee made by only booking Gazzaniga not merely did he go out feet first he was nowhere near the ball that was GBH, and under this rule should have walked ?.
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F*ck VAR heard from fans at both Norwich and Wolves on MOTD. Somebody there is deliberately letting it through, albeit in a somewhat muffled form. Murphy said VAR disallowed 3 good goals this week. All 3 pundits said Pukki was level and VAR was not being used right and needed applying differently. Lineker tweeted that the Norwich decision was "absurd".
https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-fans-angry-with-var-1-6443014
And also the Palace decision was described as "ludicrous".
https://www.football.london/crystal-palace-fc/news/gary-lineker-strong-verdict-var-17483608
Brighton had a level goal ruled out to make up the trio
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1221765/Premier-League-fans-demand-action-Brighton-VAR-Bournemouth-Dan-Burn
VAR pissed people off up and down the land in some style this week. It's killing atmosphere but not getting the right result week after week. How stupid and arrogant they must be to persist with it.Onside likes this. -
Some have been wrong and we don't know the tiny margins are always actually right. A couple of times it's been suggested they haven't necessarily frozen on the right frame of video. VAR was supposed to rule out the arguments. It hasn't. It's made them worse - but meanwhile delays are spoiling games, affecting players mental attitude, and putting fans off going if you believe posted comments. Changing the rules to suit VAR - so making Premier League effectively different from EFL - is stupid. The tail should not be wagging the dog. Fans are singing f*ck VAR every week (Wolves again today on live radio) and football pundits are turning against it. The majority of fans don't like it and it will cost the clubs money in lost ticket sales and TV revenue in time if they don't get it sorted out or dump it.
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They know it's crap and won't admit it - so tweak it and carry on. I think they should tweak off. (There's an interesting table at the end of how decisions have favoured clubs so far.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50944416
"Football's law-makers say the video assistant referee system should not be "too forensic" when it comes to offsides...
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I'd just simply say, if you have to use lines, measurements etc. to work out if a player is onside or offside then in that case the advantage should go to the attacking player. If it's clearly offside and been missed by the officials (not a fecking toe or an armpit) then VAR intervenes.
Pitchside monitors should be used more too. Have they been used in the PL yet? The World Club Final was a clear example of why the pitchside monitor should be used in the PL imo.Bronco likes this. -
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