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Discussion in 'General Football' started by Park bantam, Jun 10, 2019.

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  1. SimonW

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    As brilliant as Delli Ali's goal was another example of VAR being inconistent. Touched his arm and earlier in the season (and in the rules) thats a handball but it wasn't given.

    And I had the goal channel on as well as the United game and the Vardy pen that VAR overturned had clear touch on him, certainly more than on Rashford yet VAR gave one and not the other
     
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    To be fair I watched the goal and the 5 slow mo replays and it was not obvious that it touched Delis arm before he scored, VAR got it right
     
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    Those are the ones I hate the most. This idea of playing to the whistle is asking players to overnight break decades worth of conditioning that a linesman's flag means its offside. You also have situations like with the Arsenal goal against Man Utd where players on both sides thought they heard the refs whistle.

    If they are going to use VAR for offsides then why are the linesmen instructed to flag right away and cause the confusion? Flag when the ball goes dead and do away with any potential confusion. Sure it does mean adding more wasted time but if they are going to be bullied into adding VAR and not spending that money on helping bring better techs to maturity that could identify an offside almost instantly (including determining it gets any touch on the way through which is something that usually gets ignored unless its an obvious pass by the defending team) then its better to take a little longer than create situations where the players see the flag, subconsciously react due to their conditioning and maybe even hear noises that might be the refs whistle
     
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    Again to be fair, Lines persons were told before the season began not to flag offside unless it was obvious and blatant, In any tighter decisions they were told not to raise the flag and let VAR deal with it, The flag should not have been raised and the person running the line was wrong to do so in this case
     
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  6. SimonW

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    Apparently not so in the PL. Everywhere else they are instructed not to but apparently PL said to flag no matter what and it would be sorted out later
     
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    with you on this one Simon, a raised flag to me always means the ref will will whistle. How do you stop players who been conditioned to accepting the flag as being the same as the whistle, from stopping? Obviously, now they will have try to ignore the flag but it will be bloody hard.
     
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    Sorry that is not the case, Outside of the Premier League with no VAR the assistant should always flag,

    This is the official Premier League guidance for referees where VAR is in use
    https://www.premierleague.com/news/1297403

    "Where there is a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity and the assistant referee is not certain whether the attacker actively involved is in an offside position, the assistant should delay indicating the offence until the phase of play has concluded.

    Where there is a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity and the assistant referee is certain the attacker actively involved is in an offside position, then the assistant should indicate the offence immediately.

    In both of these situations the referee should wait to blow the whistle until the immediate phase of play has ended.

    Factual offside decisions will be based on the evidence provided by fully calibrated offside lines."
     
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    Thats weird because with the Arsenal goal a number of offiials came out and said that they were instructed to flag right away. So either the PL are ignoring their own rules or the refs are
     
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    Yep it is a mess, Expecting consistency from referees is pointless, Still not one ref has used the touchline screen provided to help them
     
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    There are no pitchside screens in the PL that's why. I'm not sure personally that they really help anyway. Why would the on-field ref come to a vastly different opinion? After all, they discuss the reason for taking the action they did with the VAR officials and the VAR official has bigger screens and granular control whereas the onfield ref has a small one and only the images that the VAR room feeds them. It just seems like taking 3-5mins for VAR to decide there is potentially a mistake and another 3-5mins for the ref to go over and watch all the angles
     
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    All Premiership grounds have touchline monitors as part of the VAR system, Referees are free to view any incident they feel they need to see again,
     
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    It's odd how REFS are being blamed for not using monitors but this article says it was the CLUBS that voted for that in the summer (though it seems they've all changed their minds). As with all things in football (finance), you get the feeling there are powerbrokers in the shadows taking decisions based on self interest while letting those at the coalface take the flak from fans and pundits.

    Https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7668609/Premier-League-clubs-set-DEMAND-match-officials-allowed-consult-pitchside-monitors.html
     
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    The main reason they voted against it originally was the delay, since they've experienced the current delays and confusion, they've come down on the side of pitchside reviews
     
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    No, they aren't. Unlike say the Champions League where they are encouraged to go and view it themselves the decision between the Clubs, League and refs are that they won't. There are a couple of very specific situations where they will but they are rare situations. The clubs have largely changed their tune but the refs discussed it again a couple of weeks back and rejected changing from the current policy and the league largely side with the refs decision
     
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    It's going to be even longer delays though with pitchside reviews. It's one of the only good things you can say about ours and thats decisions are largely quicker than on the continent. And the thing is refs rarely go against what the VAR officials advice even when watching the monitor so it does seem fairly pointless
     
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    Had to laugh at MOTD letting what sounded like the whole Sheff Utd ground chanting of "F*ck VAR" get through their censoring system. I think they're one of the clubs reckoned to have lost out significantly to VAR, though today was arguably correct. To the best of my knowledge, Watford have lost points unfairly to VAR in 4 games now (also not today's Liverpool game, though).

    The goal in Burnley v Newcastle was most contentious yet. Was it a foul? (I thought yes.) Ref gives dead ball and changes it to corner - but neither of those were right! The ball never completely crossed the line when it stopped and the defender rolled off it !!! The reverse angle showed about an inch of the ball was still hanging over the back of the line. He could have jumped up and played on if the ref had not already blown. I can forgive the ref and lino but the VAR lot bottled it.

    F*ck VAR
     
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    Going zero tolerance is fine but if it's consistent. It's not though its being used subjectively and worse of all defenders almost get away handballs left, right and centre.

    And Evertons goal today was farcical. How can they say putting a hand in the keeper's face is normal contact?
     
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    VAR overturn penalty for Liverpool in world club final but then give a free kick after blatant contact on Mane's ankle?

    Another wtf were they thinking moment, Rafinha got his yellow card chalked off when it cold easily be red.

    *edit- been told the ref checked it and overturned his own decision here, he's had a shocker this game.
     
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