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  1. bantam65

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    Add that to the bloody list.
     
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  2. Interested Bystander

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    You can just imagine the number of lawyers waiting .......
     
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  3. Stafford Bantam

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    Your right, the system works fine as long as you play matches without those pesky nets, and those posts, and the players and the officials, and anything else that could occlude the view.
     
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  4. Edin Nowhere

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    Can I just say that VAR doesn't always get it right but yesterday's offside decision in the game between Palace and Leeds is one of those times where getting it wrong can be fully accepted.
     
  5. Faithful Bantam

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    That disallowed goal was a joke. Forget any team biases - football is about joy, goals, excitement. We're seeing quality goals disallowed for the most minor of infringements. If they're even infringements at all. That goal yesterday- brilliant foot work by Pogba, great awareness and lovely weighted pass, great movement by Cavani, great finish. Fans want to see that stuff. And it happens to every side in the PL. And what's worse, fans can't even celebrate goals now. That moment of joy when the ball hits the net - its gone. You have a half celebration and then wait to see if VAR is going to rob you. It seriously needs binning off.
     
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    Exactly. I was watching my other team, West Ham, yesterday. I jumped off my sofa when Lingard put his second goal away, then had to wait 30 seconds while they decided if Bowen had been offside before delivering the assist. It just kills the joy.
     
  7. Interested Bystander

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    Mrs IB wonders if I'm asleep watching now days, usually she can tell from the next room when we score.
     
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  8. ahar964

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    It's not done Huddersfield any favours. I thought both shouts were penalties
     
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    I didn't think he actually made any contact with the Huddersfield player. Having said that, I think he would have tripped him if the forward hadn't dived first. So it was a tricky one.
    The second one looked far more clear cut. The ref was unsighted, but I was amazed that VAR didn't call the ref to look at it.
     
  10. trevor

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    One of the newspapers have produced the results and league table if VAR had not been used, In that league Leeds would have gone down and Burnley stayed up
     
  11. Skyebantam

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    It’s terrible. The worst of all is the new interpretation of handball. Absolute joke, a rule change made by absolute imbeciles.

    Luckily it won’t affect the khazi league though. I’m used to seeing it used in ligue 1 etc on tv, and i preferred things how they were. Stops the game too much, it just courts controversy and i honestly just think it is done for tv pundits to have something else to waffle about. And cause ‘more talking points’, not less.
     
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  12. Frank Castle

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    I don't like it in it's current format and wish that the officials could use it when they needed it rather than the VAR checking absolutely everything.
     
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  13. Bantam-in-Greece

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    Would have got us another point at Sunderland though! :)
     
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  14. Onside

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    Needs a considerable amount of work in my view. The goal Lingard scored his toe nail was offside. Other rules are being ignored, like giving the attacking team the benefit, and a clear and obvious error are a couple that are being ignored. They need to watch the cricket the umpire is still in charge and even though the tracking has the ball hitting the wickets if it is only just clipping it is still what the onfield umpire has given.

    I don’t like the age we have to wait for the flag to go up even though it obvious, then the massive inquest that takes place eating up time, if it takes more than a minute forget it, the clear and obvious error comes in. The hand ball incidents are now a joke.
     
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  15. SimonW

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    Cricket only has the umpire overrule on certain situations because the Hawkeye system they use, like the one in Tennis has a significant margin of error because both sports did what Football didn’t do with with Hawkeye and they rushed to add it rather than wait until it was almost perfect. It’s that rushing that’s the problem now with VAR, they didn’t bother to work out if it was fit for purpose or wait for it to become fit for purpose.

    On the offside situation with Lingard the problem with video is it just can’t get macro enough with the footage to know when the ball is played. If you move it back just a fraction of a second Lingard is on but you really can’t tell the exact moment the pass was made. It’s somewhat guess work. It’s why other tech would do a much better job if only football gave the people developing such tech a real motivation to get it ready like they did when they developed the requirements that GLT would need to meet. Player tracking and maybe combined with some kind of sensor on the ball itself would clear up offsides and provide and instant answer
     
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  16. SimonW

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    You can't really 'refine' video that much though, it's an old tech and there aren't really many improvements you can make. About the only thing you could do is make it 8k footage filmed in high frame rate to allow more clarity and granularity in isolating the frames but not only will that mean it takes longer to make a decision but 8K HFR cameras are ridiculously expensive, broadcasting that out to the VAR control centre requires a massive amount of bandwidth and when it reaches the VAR centre they need 8K HFR monitors which certainly aren't available on the consumer market and if they are available commercially will cost a hundreds of thousands at the very least and they will need multiple ones. And all that expense only results in a tiny improvement.

    It's why the NFL who have used video replays for ages have been experimenting with other tech because VAR makes way too many mistakes and isn't going to improve all that much. And that's with a sport where most decisions are much more clear cut than Football (And the nature of the game with it being play-based means its much quicker to generate the replays)
     
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  17. How

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    It’s getting to the point where linesman aren’t calling offsides anymore. I mean what? They were very very good at it and it’s such a skill I think to call it. At the top level they rarely get one wrong.

    VAR will spoil the game. It’s the penalties and all subjective decisions they are messing up. Handball always looks worse in super slow mo. It always looks deliberate. Same with any contact in the box. Slowed down it always looks worse. Let the ref do what he’s paid very well to do. I’d say use it for offsides if it becomes clear and the angles are better in the grounds. And for anything missed like violent conduct off of the ball (Suarez biting for example)
     
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  18. trevor

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    Next season all handball in the area by a defender will be a penalty, Accidental hand ball has been done away with so i guess handball will be easier for VAR
     
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  19. SimonW

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    It’s an IFAB change so it’s the whole of football
     
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    Fookin joke it is :laughing:
     
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