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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, May 5, 2021.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    I agree, they tried to keep it quiet re the 1 for 1's,
    I didn't want Rwanda, it was merely a sticking plaster, this outrage can only be stopped at source, far too late once we have brought 'em in ....
     
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  2. Edin Nowhere

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    It's amazing how so many people are so upset this morning regarding Rwanda but are completely unaware that it was a straight swap from one immigrant for another. The government did a good job of keeping that quiet but I actually don't think this was ever setup to work, it was just setup to claim the lefty lawyers are blocking it by pointing it out it is against the law.

    It appears on that note it has won many morons who know nothing about it over.
     
  3. Bronco

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    Your correct you have to wonder why Sir Keir never made that situation know when taking on Boris, Truss or Sunak at Prime Ministers question time.
    It looked flawed from the start and expensive but so is the alternative we have at the moment, what the Tories are doing is so underhand it takes some believing, not even telling their own Tory MPs when they commander hotels without consultation with the local people or the local MP, but I can't see Labour being any better, is there an answer to the problem or is it something we are going to have to accept ?.
     
  4. Rogered Tart

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    I usually have an based opinion on most things but I'll be honest I'm lost as to what is happening in the world right now and moreso the UK. Looking at a job in little Germany, just seems to Africans moping around ( and what a shithole little Germany is), walk down into Centenary square for a coffee and its just full of deadbeats, open drugdealing and drug taking, people pissed asleep on the verges at dinner time, items of clothing from shops being sold to others, clearly stolen. And not a cop in sight. And that's just local, across the UK rhetoric and narratives aplay, public services falling apart, the most pathetic set of MPs I could ever have the displeasure of seeing, cost of living going through the roof. It's a very strange time to be alive, I know we can see things through rose tinted specs with a bit of nostalgia thrown in but I can't say I've ever seen the world like this. Maybe just me seeing the world different in my old age but it seems the what I remember from years ago, values of respect and a degree of honestly seem to have decreased alarmingly.
    I'm not sure where as a society we are going.
     
  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    And what's more of a shame is how many people are unaware of the situation......
     
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  6. Hulmebantam

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    I feel the same @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart .

    At the moment I walk past open drug dealing and drug taking several times a week. I've lived in the area here for nearly twenty years now and it has never been as bad. It is partly because there has been a concerted effort to move visible drug taking outside the city centre.

    We've got three drug gangs battling for territory around here locally. Stabbings are happening regularly.

    There are so many reasons for this, but both Jeremy Hunt and Matt Hancock have admitted in the last couple of weeks that the funding for adult social care is inadequate. There is negligible help now available for anyone with problems, or huge waiting lists. Local authorities have lost, broadly, 60p in every pound they used to have. Of course some of it wasn't well-used, but it has resulted in the removal of vital services. Accessing any care for the elderly is so difficult and time-consuming.

    I won't even start on the challenges that are faced within schools, especially those in deprived areas. I've seen that and it is soul destroying.

    Brexit exposed the divisions in society, but I agree with your point about respect and decency in society. It is still there, but it is ebbing away.

    The challenges the next Government faces are huge. We've cut back on so many things that the cracks in society are now clearly visible. Yet, Government spending has continued to grow (I get the pandemic etc etc) whilst I would argue the country has become less pleasant to live in.
     
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  7. Bronco

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    ^^^^^^100%.
     
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    A commentator on the radio a week or two back. I can't remember the exact wording but the gist was that back in the 90s the average house price was about 3 times the average wage. Today it is about 9 times.
     
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    I have no leanings politics wise and as I get older, and some would say more cynical, I now see the world for what it really is and generally that saddens me. What I was taught to believe in was really all a masquerade. I try as much as can not to get involved, blanking out the b/s pedalled by the media has done wonders in terms of my anger issues. But I find it hard to stand back and watch the world burn, charlatans like Boris Johnson allowed to dictate how the lives of millions are run into the ground and is freely allowed to do so with no consequences whatsoever. I even question how I was brought up by two wonderful law abiding parents, only to realise they were sold the lie just like I was. Told to obey the laws made for millionaires and billionaires while the ones at the bottom destroy themselves from within.
    Sorry for the rant, life certainly wasn't perfect years ago, far from it, but I don't like this world I see now.
     
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  10. Dennis

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    As much as I sympathise with your experience, it's a direct consequence of Govt policy. The housing of asylum seekers was outsourced by the Govt a few years ago to some private companies such as Mears and Serco. They won the contract by offering to provide the cheapest accommodation for the asylum seekers. And guess what, the asylum seekers accommodation then gets concentrated in areas like Bradford where cheap housing is plentiful. Bigger profits for the housing providers! Coupled with that is a backlog of over 170,000 people who are waiting for their applications to be processed. Five years ago there was was less than 10,000 applications outstanding but the number has grown like topsy since then because the Home Office has reduced the resources devoted to it. I don't see any solutions in the short term to remedy the problem and any suggestion that a couple of thousand of asylum applications being processed in Rwanda will resolve the issue is just Govt bullshit to show to the gullible that something is being done!

    As you and @Hulmebantam@Hulmebantam suggest, whoever gets into power next has some enormous prob,ems to deal with.
     
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    Brainwashed Tone. By that rectangle box in the corner called a TV. Or for the younger generation the devices like phones and iPads.
     
  12. Bronco

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    Do you believe it can be sorted by any political party Dennis, if a Labour get in and show they mean business with regards processing people claiming asylum those who realise they won't get asylum will just disappear into the black economy as many are doing now.
     
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    No political party can resolve this once the asylum seekers have arrived in the UK. It can only be resolved at source. Currently about 70% of asylum seekers meet the Home Office's own criteria for staying in the country. Despite what the Express and Sun prefer to focus on, the majority of asylum seekers are bona fide and not illegal. That's not something the Govt wants to publicise; they'd rather ignore the facts and introduce laws which are contra to international law and UN conventions and try and confuse the underlying with the nonsense around Rwanda type agreements, I'ii give then credit for eventually tackling the Albanian issue and returning them to their home country but that is an exception.

    The real problem of most asylum seekers arriving in Europe is because they are fleeing war zones or persecution. That's why so many pass the asylum seekers criteria. And once they arrive in the UK, there are enough dodgy employers for those who don't aquire legitimate asylum status to be employed on cheap wages and just disappear. Maybe some form of id system may help but both main political parties appear afraid to discuss that.

    To come up with a genuine solution, there has to be a real debate on what creates asylum seekers in the first place rather than the xenophobic discussion created by the likes of the Express and Mail. I don't recall that ever happening. Without a genuine debate, it will be left to a certain kind of politician to manufacture more short term and populist solutions which are short lived..
     
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    I'm still trying to work out why 10s of 1000s of people from other shores would want to come here. Forget the refugee or asylum smokescreen, the majority of these are young male migrant workers being systematically shipped all over Europe seeing the very fabric of western civilisation in Europe compounded. No agenda here, no left or right wing politics, i don't play those games, just a very concerned on looker seeing a worrying narrative at play.
     
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    2016 gave our leaders carte blanche on bull shit. Standards slipped at the top and it's trickled down. It's true, Leeds is full of new vagrants. A typical vagrancy i.e people who would have previously been caught by societies safety nets.
     
  16. Bronco

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    Post of the year. Absolutely spot on Dennis.
    The government keeps peddling simplistic solutions to complex problems. Unsurprisingly, they don't work.
     
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    Exactly. In the mid/late 80s I lived in a house in East Morton that cost £14k in 1980. We sold it for £56k in 1994. We then bought a four bedroomed Victorian townhouse in Baildon for £89k. We borrowed a bit extra to do improvements, so our our mortgage was £50k. We were paying around £300 a month as I recall. The house is now worth around £400k. A couple with a £400k mortgage now would be paying around £2500 a month. And that's in Bradford Met, which is ridiculously cheap compared to most of the country.
    My daughter and her chap live in East London. Not in a posh area. They are paying £2,200 pm rent on a small 2 bedroomed house. My house, in London, would sell for about £1.5m.
    Young people today are really struggling to afford suitable housing.
     
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    I'm not sure anybody really understands why so many refugees and asylum seekers come to the UK. The reality of course is that compared to most other European countries - Germay, Spain, France, Italy, Holland, the Nordics, etc - fewer asylum seekers come to the UK in comparative terms.

    The Govt policy is now to criminalise anybody who arrives in the UK other than via a recognised visa-based route which might seem reasonable to some. There are of course only three routes which would be legal - Ukraine, Hong Kong and a limited number from Afghanistan. Anybody else from any other country would therefore be from a so-called illegal route and therefore becomes a criminal. Catch 22 for most irrespective of their circumstances!

    For some reason and despite the rhetoric from the PM and the Home Secretary, the Govt does not pursue the criminal gangs who bring the asylum seekers into UK waters on the small boars. We don't investigate or pursue where the boats and engines are sourced and we do sod all about chasing the vast sums of money circulating to the smuggling gangs. Over the past few years, the UK has withdrawn from the Dublin Agreement which allowed the UK to return asylum seekers to France etc; we've withdrawn from Europol so cannot easily co-ordinate our approach with other police bodies and have withdrawn from intelligence sharing with other European countries so cannot easily track who is doing what in the smuggling world. We are largely on our own through our own choices and we are all paying for the cost of that.
     
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    I'm not sure I have any idea about anything this government does or even touches. For a government apparently tough on crime and immigration they do bugger all about either. When I see Sunak open his mouth I just see air coming out but with no substance to any of it.
     

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