UK Politics

Laughable how our resident lefties are quick to curse without knowing any facts.

You seriously think toddlers and primary school kids are ending up at these places after crossing seas by themselves unaccompanied? Are you seriously that deluded or are you just using anything to give those dirty tories a good bashing?

Teenagers couldn’t care less if there’s Micky mouse on the wall. And besides, they’re illegally entering our land, why on earth should we welcome illegals?

 

Actually, arriving by boat crossing is not illegal if you claim asylum, despite what Cruella Braverman wants us to believe. If your claim is unsuccessful then you can be deported, but the act of travelling to another country to claim asylum is not illegal, for reasons that are bleeding obvious to anyone but the blinkered right. People escaping war zones, religious persecution etc can't fill in paperwork and ask nicely to be admitted to other countries. Claiming asylum is, by its nature, a desperate act, usually done in clandestine circumstances, wherever you are fleeing from or your destination country is.

And even that well known lefty, Nigel Farage, thinks that over painting the murals was 'mean'.

 

Are you Lineker, are you Lineker, are you Lineker in disguise.. ?? such naivety ....

 

He's clearly someone who knows what the law is, which is why our current system is such a shitshow because our government ignores it and then acts shocked when is prevented from putting an illegal action into act which in the meantime sees thousands more come and sit in hotels because they are unprocessed.

It's pretty simple and clear the way to deal with this is to process them and then you have a legal route to send them back if they don't meet the criteria.

 

That is complete and utter tripe mate.

If you look at where the illegal crossers are coming from, the absolute vast majority are coming from safe nations where they are in no danger.

It's greed because we're the soft nation of handouts.

Look at the latest riots in Germany at the Eritrea festival after they let in tens of thousands of Eritrean's. Look at France with the Algerian's and Morroccan's. That's what will be happening on our streets if we allow them in from here, there and everywhere.

The very people you're wanting to come in would be the very first to stamp all over you if there were freebies on the other side. Let that sink in.

God forbid this country goes to war and the public get called up if they have your pitiful attitude.

 

If we processed them like we should do we could send them back if they don't meet the criteria set. By coming out with soundbites about sending them to Rwanda when it is not legal to do so, hotels keep filling up and we find ourselves in the position we are in. Still it gives us a good tagline of "Stop the boats", when in reality the tagline should be "Our shitshow is filling the hotels".

 

Should take no more than 5 minutes to process each one...

Q..Show me your passport or any I.D

A..Don't have any

Solution...get back on that boat...goodbye

 

What's naive about stating the true legal position?

As usual with right wingers, you have ridiculously simplistic solutions to complex problems. Unsurprisingly, these don't work.

The Tories have a much worse record on immigration than Labour did because they are focusing on the wrong end of the problem. They are obsessed with the optics of using illegal means to stop small boat crossings in order to stoke their pathetic culture wars and impress the xenophobes. They seem to believe this will be a vote winner, despite all the polling evidence showing that it pales into insignificance behind most people's real priorities - the cost of living, mortgage and rental costs, the NHS, sewage pollution and education.

Painting over kids' murals isn't going to deter anyone who is determined to come here by boat and claim asylum. The best deterrent is the strong likelihood of having your asylum application promptly turned down in court if it's bogus and then being quickly repatriated. But the Tories have utterly screwed up both the court system and the civil service asylum processing. So, instead of being quickly processed - and either accepted as genuine refugees fleeing persecution, or sent back as bogus economic migrants - people get herded into horrible asylum centres or put in hotels for months or years on end, at vast public expense. So it's no surprise that the Tories' record on immigration is much worse than Labour's was.
And that is before we consider the impact of Brexit, which has vastly reduced the numbers of white workers from Eastern Europe, France, Spain etc and replaced them with much larger numbers of black people from Africa and the Indian subcontinent. Is that what Brexiteers meant by taking control of our borders? I doubt it - even though it was widely predicted by many Remainers that this is what would happen.

More ludicrously simplistic solutions that won't work. What you gonna do if they refuse? Or if they've already scuppered the boat they arrived in? Shoot them?

Are you seriously suggesting that we should completely ignore international law and the international asylum protocols that we have signed up to? Sadly, I suspect you are. That would do wonders for our already declining reputation and influence over the rest of the world.

 

Sorry, but it's you who are talking tripe. Whatever you might like or think, it is not illegal to come to this country to claim asylum. If people are really coming from 'safe nations' as you say they are, then they should be quickly processed and deported back to where they came from.

Where have I ever said that I 'want these people to come here'. Stop putting words in my mouth. What I want is an efficient system that allows those who have a genuine reason to claim asylum here to do so and for those who don't to be quickly processed and sent back from whence they came, rather than being kept in asylum centres or hotels for ages at vast public expense.

 

How the f do you think we can deal with so many illegal Nikes and Samsung seekers when they are coming in at the rate of 500 to 1000 a day....?

 

We have spent £140m on Rwanda, £500m over 3 years to France, £162k per person we would send to Rwanda.

Maybe, just maybe we could employ a few staff with a fraction of the money above to process them. You could employ 5,000 staff at £33k per year for 3 years for what we clearly give to France without any benefit being seen in return for that £500m

 

For a short period of the year when the weather allows it. For most of the year the numbers are much lower.

 

Spot on. The sensible way of dealing with the issue. But that doesn't appease those who just want us to pull up the drawbridge - ie they don't want any immigration at all and would like us to stop taking any asylum seekers, even when they are fleeing from war torn countries and even when it is the legacy of our historical colonial meddling in their countries that have caused some of the conflicts that they are fleeing from. It's the 'Im all right Jack, sod you' mentality that permeates much right wing thinking.

 

I will always agree that the present government has made a massive mistake/ballsup of this carry on but we are where we are with no sign of either major party willing to even make a start on stopping this invasion, glad we don't all have to rely only on The Guardian or the BBC to be aware of the long term severity of the damage to the fabric of our society..
Do you realise that the numbers coming in outnumber the amount of soldiers in our army, yet some people seem happy for us not to question the motives or the history of the illegals, beggars belief it really does..
Anyway, I suppose some might change their tune when the hotels, army camps and barges are all full and they then come for your spare bedrooms...

 

These places will fill up the way it is going, because they aren't being processed, so any who could stay can't work or pay into the system so it is all take and cost. And without clearing the backlog more and more places are required costing more and more (again money that could be spent on employing people to clear a backlog).

As it has been shown that Brexit doesn't stop what it promised to stop and give us control of our borders, people cling onto the fact that if we leave the ECHR things would suddenly change. It won't. Some people are willing to believe any tag line or any fantasy to claim things will change.

PS it's not lefty lawyers who are to blame, a court case is usually judged upon with two sides putting up their arguments. If on one side your argument is "Stop the Boats" and on the other side there is chapter and verse on international law, then it's not lefty lawyers at fault, it's those who are heading to court on words and slogans for having unworkable plans.

 

I have just received another council tax bill from our labour council and these useless b@st@rds have revalued a extra £22 on my bill.I find all this disgusting after the front page of the T&A today and just soon after the council elections where I bet these lying scumbags never mentioned our bills revalued upwards massively.

Depressed for the future of this country.

 

I have no idea how our council leader is still in place. She came in 2016, and Children's services has continued to get worse and worse and now isn't even in the control of the council and like you eluded to, is costing us millions in overspends.

The findings of the Star Hobson case should have been enough to lose her, her job but she carries on regardless.

Surely there is someone at Bradford Council who has some talent to lead the council rather than a career politician who openly wanted out for the Yorkshire Mayor job and seems to cling on to this one as some kind of fallback.

 

Bradford Council is now less than half the size it was when the Tories came to power. £350m lost from its budget since 2010, due entirely to central government cuts!

It's not just Bradford that is struggling. Even some relatively affluent southern Tory local authorities are struggling to balance their budgets. But the Tories have consistently pummeled the poorest (mostly northern) local authorities the hardest. So much for the 'levelling up' that the Tories persuaded many traditional northern Labour voters to vote for in 2019. How anyone ever swallowed that pathetically obvious lie is completely beyond me.

As one of the top ten most deprived areas Bradford has always relied more heavily on government grants than more affluent areas down south and also than other neighbouring authorities such as Leeds, Calderdale and North Yorkshire. So the cuts have hit much harder here. And the cost of living crisis and the knock on effects of the pandemic have made the situation disproportionately worse here.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/23/revealed-councils-preparing-for-multi-million-pound-budget-overspends-as-crisis-and-cuts-hit/

https://www.sigoma.gov.uk/news/2023/poorest-councils-have-seen-3-times-the-cuts-as-richest-say-sigoma

What do you expect them to fund services with - fresh air? All these people who whinge on about Bradford Council - I'd love to see any of them have a go at doing any better under such impossible circumstances.

 

I'm afraid you are lost to one political tribe and that's the hill you will die on.

The people who voted in labour councilors must feel betrayed today by a lying bunch of scumbags for the second council tax rise this year. I had a labour candidate on my doorstep and the way he was telling things everything would be rosy, no mention of another big tax rise after the elections.

I agree with a previous post on someone confident running the council not letting things like agency staff bill soars from £4million to £30million

 

Do you think those agency staff bills happen by accident or carelessness? You clearly haven't a clue how these things work.

I spent 32 working for social services in Bradford. We used to have one of the best social work services in the country. In the 90s and noughties we attracted experienced social work staff in from neighbouring areas because of our high quality reputation and relatively decent wages. Our child protection service was simply excellent. But Tory cuts decimated it.

George Osborne's kamikaze austerity economics massively increased poverty levels in Bradford, putting huge pressure on demand for social services. Tory budget cuts meant that we could no longer afford to keep pace with wages paid by other Yorkshire authorities (instead of paying more, like we used to). So, unsurprisingly, many experienced permanent staff opted to leave for other authorities for less work pressure, lower caseloads and higher wages.

You can't run teams full of inexperienced kids, or carrying loads of vacancies so, in those circumstances, you have no choice but to pay over the odds for expensive agency staff.

Once our social work teams ended up being mostly staffed by newly qualifieds and non committed agency staff, the outcomes predictably declined. Once that happens it becomes even harder to attract or retain experienced permanent staff and so the downward spiral in quality and over-reliance on agency staff continues.

Budget cuts invariably lead to higher demand but fewer preventative services (eg the Tories axed the highly successful Sure Start Centres), closures of council-run children's homes and old people's homes, fewer home care workers for old people etc. So instead of keeping people at home you end up paying through the nose for expensive private homes and for extortionate out of area placements for the spiralling numbers of kids coming into care. It's massively false economy but, again, caused by budget cuts.

Predictably, instead of providing the resources needed for a properly staffed service, the government has privatised Bradford's children's services. Let's see how well that works. They did this some years ago with the Local Education Authority - outsourcing it to Serco. The service was so bad they had to bring it back into council control to arrest the decline.

You can't run decent services on fresh air. If you slash £350m from the budget and more than halve the workforce then don't be surprised when you get terrible results. Thirteen years of appalling Tory economic mismanagement have shattered our economy and many people's standard of living around the country. Unfortunately, we happen to live in one of the areas that has been hardest hit by these clowns in government.