UK Politics

The Tories are bad but the fact Labour have lost the last 4 general elections tells you how bad the alternative is.

The UK doesnt have a thirst for mass uncontrolled immigration, a welfare system that rewards the lazy or gender politics. Thats what you get with Labour.

 

Yet the Tories letting in a million in only two years is not uncontrolled immigration?
Its probably more than Labour let in the whole time they were in power,

 

The Tories don't have an open goal with Corbyn anymore.

Everything that Sunak claims to be delivering on he is failing. You talk about open door immigration as if it isn't happening now with border force acting as a ferry service.

As for the welfare system, people working have the highest tax burden on them in decades, that's not Conservative it's what former Conservatives would warn of what Labour would do yet it's happening now.

The Tories were dealt a Royal flush at the last election and somehow have played it as if they had a pair of Jacks.

 

I dont disagree about the ferry service but please tell me who voted against sending these illegal immigrants to Rwanda???

 

They want to pack illegals and foreign criminals off.....MPs voting records on such measures tells you all you need to know and who really wants an open door policy.

 

It doesn't matter how the opposition votes, the Tories have a massive majority and they still can't do what they claim to be one of their major policies.

For the Daily Mail to use actual pictures of what is happening here and now and claim it is a vision of the future under Starmer is laughable.

I'll judge a party on their results, and as it stands this Tory government's results no better than San Marino's.

 

You're confused about legal and illegal immigration. They let 1million in on visas. The illegal immigration issue is completely separate and used as a tool to fool you into thinking they are tough on it.

Labour had a much better record on illegal immigration. They voted against this because it breaks international law and that's not how we used to do things. We used to have respect internationally that's slowly been eroded by extremists.

A certain shift in our politics in the past decade allowed these morons to take power who have no clue and/or respect for the political process and the laws which we are bound by. They used to blame it on the EU but now it's something else. The Tories should be nowhere near power for a decade. They are a danger to our prosperity.

 

Memo to Sir Kneel...

 

I see the Tory Mayor of Keighley has got himself into a right mess.

He took part in a ceremony in public to raise the pride flag in Keighley whilst in private he was issuing apologies for doing something that goes against his religious beliefs.

There is me thinking that your role as Mayor is to represent everyone and not just those whom your sky fairy gives the thumbs up to.

The T&A ran with it yesterday and it appears ITV have got hold of it now and are running with it. I think he has only been Mayor since May.

 

So Starmer was at an event in Scotland yesterday and still got back to the house of commons to cast a vote on the privilege committees report on Boris Johnson.

Sunak was in No10 all day but couldn't get across to cast a vote.

I know this thread is about Starmer but have we had a more spineless PM than we have now in Sunak. Hoped the Zahawi scandal would blow over, hoped the Raab scandal would blow over, tries to run from questioning when asked about Johnson, says it's nothing to do with him when Johnson hands out honors to his mates, talks about stopping the boats and tries to gain political capital from bad weather in the channel to claim his plan is working when border force are literally ferrying people across now.

The Tories are walking into oblivion at the next election as they are led by two people Sunak and Hunt who their own members didn't even want. It's becoming clearly by the day that Penny Mourdant was the one they should have rallied around, someone with a backbone who actually voted in last nights debate.

 

But Penny Mourdant is a One Nation Tory. The kind that some on here, and most of the Tory Party membership, regard as 'socialist' so, as things stand, she has little chance of becoming Tory leader, even though she's easily their best bet of winning another election in the foreseeable future.

Sunak is not just weak. He's also a weasel. He was Chancellor when all the partying at No 10 was going on, so clearly knew about all the law-breaking. He's now trying to put distance between himself and Johnson but without being openly critical of what happened in case more damning stuff emerges that might implicate him. The more critical he is now, the harder it would be to weasel his way out of it, should it later become necessary to do so.

He also knows that many Tory party members are (astonishingly) still Bunter fans. He needs those (already angry and demoralised) members to actively campaign at the next General Election, so wants to avoid alienating them any further. He also doesn't want a damaging round of MP deselections before the next GE, as promised by the likes of Mad Nad to any Tory MP that dared to vote against her poster boy.

By skipping the debate and thereby tacitly encouraging his MPs to do likewise, he was hoping that yesterday's debate would end quietly and go through on the nod, without himself or his MPs having to openly condemn Johnson (which would play badly with his party members) or support him (which would play badly with the electorate). He reckoned without the parliamentary nous of the Labour Chief Whip, who by verbally objecting to the motion being carried on the nod, forced a vote, thereby shining a spotlight on Sunak's craven absence. Labour will now use that absence to draw attention to his weakness and keep the Partygate pot boiling - with the able assistance of Tory Central Office, whose video of a party in full swing during lockdown is yet another own goal of epic proportions.

Oh, and just to add insult to injury, a large number of those Tory MPs who went AWOL yesterday chose to occupy themselves by attending some kind of Tory Party garden party. Nothing quite like going to a party to avoid voting on Partygate.

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@Bigrod , @Dennis ,or any other Mod, could you change the title of this thread to UK Politics. It's long since been covering a much wider range of political debate than just Keir Starmer.

 

Your right. I apologise to weasels for comparing them to Rishi Sunak. Snake would have been a better analogy, although that's probably unfair to snakes

 

Well ladies and gentlemen this government is a complete shambles.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-liz-truss-recession-economy-tory-party-starmer-bddh6zb9b

I mean where do you start with that? Yeah, let’s get Liz back.

Sunak is a complete joker who doesn’t seem to be living in the real world. The BOE haven’t got a clue.

Sunak really does have his head in the sand. Needs to go! They all do!

 

Arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

 

The interest rates increase is to slow down the economy and get people to spend less. Back in the 70’s and maybe 2008 this would work but it won’t it 2023. After 13 increases on a row it’s not made a difference. The size you are effecting is too small.

You have 3 groups of people - Those with who have no mortgage, those that rent and those with a mortgage. Those without and rent you are not really going to slow down them spending. So the increases in interest rates are only punishing those with a mortgage.

The BOE are a joke and so are the Tories!

 

Wtf? Do rent prices not rise, then?

 

Rent is normally an arrangement but either why you don’t own a house if you rent.

Rent doesn’t have to raise and you can easily find somewhere cheaper or with budget.

Either way you get my point. What the BOE is doing isn’t working.

 

Interest rate rises work to slow down Demand Pull Inflation - ie caused by an overheating economy. We don't have that - we have Cost Push (aka supply side) inflation.
Raising interest rates is causing misery to many without actually reducing inflation.