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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, Apr 23, 2019.

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  1. Bronco

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    I also spoke about the border that we need to sort before we are allowed to leave the backstop, but we have no say in when we can leave the backstop that was the reason Mays deal has been voted down, yet the EU negotiators say they would not have a hard border if we left without a deal which I find a little strange that the EU are making a big deal about it in the backstop.
    With regards your America comment I never mentioned them, all though I believe (I could be wrong) they would not deal with us if there was a hard border which has never been the UK stance.
     
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    You said this
    "Whereas the remain side have always been coherent about what it means to be a member of the EU."

    I replied saying you cannot even know what the EU will do in the future and where it may lead us, I gave you some SUGGESTIONS as to what MAY happen and never claimed they were about to happen or would do hence the question mark to demonstrate that, they were an example of how things never stay the same especially in the EU that brings proposals for the future of the EU all the time and some are approved and some not but it never stays the same with changes proposed all the time.
    You seem to only see words in posts you want to rather than what is actually posted then reply to your own interpretation rather than the post,
    BTW You say you are highly qualified and much more than myself, What qualifications do you have from which University? Did you study Keynes and Adam Smith as part of a Politics and Economics degree? Have you a double first?
     
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  3. Clity

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    Maybe agree to disagree? My original point is true, if you disagree then thats fine.

    Right now in May 2019 the remain argument is coherent. Everyone knows what treaties we have if we remain. Everyone knows about tariffs, businesses know how to operate. Passports will still work. The NI peace process stays intact. Thats a coherent argument, status quo, people know what to expect. Thats just a fact is it not? to disagree with that is just tribalistic point scoring.

    I kind of think its disingenuous to suggest that in the future there could be an EU army when the UK has a veto. The fact there could be an EU army is technically correct but then the opposite is also correct we could not have an EU army. The treaty setup right now makes the EU army less likely to happen.

    Thats why i dont deal with coulds, woulds and shoulds. Im not being a WUM.

    My degree and result is my own business sorry.
     
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    The last line amazing, you are not made for a forum. @trevor@trevor you have made this bloke look very silly and it was a great laugh reading it!!
     
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    well the main reason is because of this post from trevor when i asked someone what they did for a living...

    I thought it a bit hypocritical.

    You look like the silly one now.
     
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    I don't.

    You've made yourself look silly throughout this thread, you've highlighted an absolute nothing post as an excuse to say why you claim you are more educated on this matter than Trevor. You're as bad as an MP on Question Time!!
     
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    The whole Brexit thing has been a farce the vote was only taken to keep the Tory party together the country only voted to leave because of motivation of the leavers and the apathy of remainers.
    The best thing about it is I think politics is going to change the Tories are going to split whatever happens with Brexit and Labour are almost unelectable under Corbyn so I can see a centre party emerging that can govern well without the extremities of both right and left
     
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    Well you do because he was the one who brought university up.

    I am more qualified because i have read the Lisbon Treaty. Something which he hasnt because if he had then he wouldnt make assumptions. If he has read it then he knows the UK holds a veto. He argues that nothing is set in stone and we may lose that veto and i said we may also not lose it.

    Its that simple.
     
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    Only a farce because and a remainer has been in charge of the negotiations and us leave voters got our arses into gear and went out and voted, that's the whole point of any election, once again we hear the losers in this case the remainers blaming all and sundry for the way the vote went, the best one being the young telling us oldies we've voted away there future, well get of your Xbox's and put your X on a piece of paper.
     
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    You can agree or not but I don't think the country wanted brexit but many weren't motivated enough to vote. I have absolutely no doubt should there be another vote there will be a big majority to stay
     
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    I'm just being honest, you tell somebody you're more educated having no idea who they are then when asked you come out with a childish answer.
     
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  14. Bronco

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    It's been well debated on here mate, several have said it was Cameron's tilt at getting his anti Eurosceptics to tow the party line when the referendum results came through, there was also concern that in may continuances the UKIP party were getting a lot of support and were calling Cameron out to stick to his promise of a referendum.
    So he went to the EU and tried to get some concessions and got a flea in his ear and made to look a fool, we have never been asked as an electorate wether we wanted to get in deeper with the United States of Europe, that was not what we originally signed up for and the powers that be over the years feed us crap, thank goodness we didn't go down the road of joining the Euro and ditching the pound.
    Why should there be another vote we're adults not kids in a playground where when things don't go their way they come back with "best out of three", if MPs thought last night was a bit of a kick up the arse for the two main parties the European Parliamentary Election will send dozens of Brexit MEPs back to Brussels, and they are quite aware of that.
     
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    Look who were the big winners on the night the Liberal Democrat’s the biggest anti Brexit party
     
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  16. Bronco

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    Yes of course the remain voters did not vote their usual way because now Labour have got into bed with the Tories, so the only vote for many was the Lib/Dems, but it shows how annoyed the electorate was when yesterdays results were more about national politics rather than local issues.
    I'll have a £10 BBU bet the Lib/Dem's are not the winners come the EU elections (if we have them before the Tory/Labour packed sell us down the river), it will be interesting how many vote for the Independent Party who are committed to the EU just like the Lib/Dem's, could be their down fall with a split vote where the brexiteers just have the one party to vote for.
     
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    I wasnt referring to education.
     
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    Our 'veto' means f.all, EU would find a way to over rule/over ride any pitiful outburst from us, just look how they have treat us with such disdain since we voted to be out...
     
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    If we are so weak then why are we even doing this? another fallacy of the brexiteer argument.

    Keep up the good work of making fairy tails up about the EU because the moderates will see it for what it is.
     
    #79 Clity, May 3, 2019
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    I'm sorry, I should know better.....
     
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