The Independabnt Party

Im not willing to engage with you on this topic until you produce accurate facts about the EU and Lisbon treaty. The EU army for example has a veto attached. Before you tell me veto's are going to be abolished i advise you go read the actual lisbon treaty. At that point I will discuss things with you until then you are making things up or following conspipracy theories and i am not engaging with a man who believes in fairy tales. thank you.

 

Won't be long now until we leave. Big Party round at Sir Nigel's.

 

Classic reply from a fantasist who never backs up his posts and when proved wrong as is usual uses diversion tactics,
Absolute classic
By the way here is some of the articles you call made up and fantasy, I suggest you are the maker up of fantasies, You seem to live a land of your making mainly in your head

https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-new-uk-cars-to-have-speed-limiters-by-2022-under-eu-plans
The Lisbon treaty you mention has the effect of making all countries of the EU adopt the Euro as their currency by 2020, The UK along with such as Sweden has an opt out but if we stay in will come under increasing pressure to adopt it

 

OK as i said show me the bit where the EU army can be created without UKs permission. Show me the bit where it says the UK loses its veto. Do you have that info or is it just another 'this will probably happen' moment.

Your point about the euro is classic brexiteer nonesense. You simply assume we will lose the pound with no firm evidence or any suggestion by the UK govt that this will ever happen. You are just making things up and scaremongering.

So once again show us all the proof of these two parts of your argument.

1. The UK loses its veto on the EU army
2. The UK loses its opt out of the euro

Once you can prove your claims we can debate it. Until then you are lying.

 

on this point https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-new-uk-cars-to-have-speed-limiters-by-2022-under-eu-plans what is it about common law that you dont want to respect?

Why is it that you are angry about potentially not being able to break the law and speed? if 70mph is an issue for you isnt that the UK govt? because in germany theirs will be limited to over 100mph.

Again half your anger at the system is based on UK law its quite ironic.

 

You are a clot, At no point have I said I am angry or disagree with speed limiters only that the EU are proposing them, Lying is a serious word to use but I forgive you as are obviously young and a maybe a little slow upstairs and throw insults round instead of debate, May I remind you that these are things that MAY happen or may not, What IS certain is that you cannot say with any certainty that they and other things will not happen, Your comment that we know the future of the EU is obviously wrong and flawed and anyone with an ounce of intelligence would know that.

 

Ah so you cant answer my point about the fact you made false statements. Instead you wrote a long paragraph about nothing whilst being quite patronising about age.

I am more qualified than you on this and i can beat you in an argument. So much for age and experience.

 

Not long now till 17.4 million people get what they asked for. All hail democracy.

 

Yeah, roll on March 29th...

 

If the US congress has said it wont give us a deal if theres a hard border then it looks likely that we will have a permanent customs union. The catch 22 is that we will not get a deal with the USA if we are in a customs union. Regardless of what people say there is no way to have it border free whilst not being in a customs union.

So if nodeal means no US trade and a customs union means no brexit. Then in my view we should retain our membership in order to have a say.

What would you do in light of the current scenario?

 

Tell you something...this country will never be listened to or ever able to change anything within the EU

 

You really do believe you know more than anyone else? I really think you need medical help and there is no point giving you answers you either ignore or do not understand, Your point on qualifications is laughable as your replies demonstrate you have little understanding of the subject and you are out of your depth, Your childish comment that you are more qualified on this subject even not knowing who you are talking to is bordering on a delusional state, I really suggest you get help not as a jibe but in a real attempt to help you,

 

No i just think i know more than you. You said there would be an EU army but then couldnt prove it when asked. Along with a ton of other instances. I.e. the euro, its all would be's and could be and probably will be's and no absolute solid evidence. You are the one throwing the insults around and making assumptions about me. Im just pulling you up on what you say and you dont like it.

 

Im not trying to wind you up. You posted about the deal between may and corbyn and i spoke about NI border which is a big part of the deal.

 

Don't flatter yourself, its your opinion against someone elses. You certainly don't know anymore than others in this debate.

 

Im sorry but its not opinion. What he came along and said was incorrect its as simple as that. Go back and read it.

 

Which bit? I shall take a look again.

 

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trevor said: ↑
You have no idea where the EU will be in 10 years time, An EU Army on the cards? All Members MUST be in the Euro including the UK