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This is being blown way out of proportion.

It was literally 15/16 year olds who probably don’t even know what a Nazi is. To get so upset over some thick school kids is a bit ridiculous.

 

Fair enough. if racism is the norm why did the Bulgarian PM 'encourage' the Bulgarian FA chief to resign?

Also you go on about education being key, how is there still racist abuse in the UK? Which is one of the best educated countries in the world?

Which from time to time i might add is aimed at me!

 

You do know this isn’t an isolated incident, and Bulgaria have been punished for racism in the past don’t you? Quick to backtrack on the school boys comment, nothing wrong with people being appalled with such actions imo but each to their own. We’ll never get anywhere with discussing the issue though and just brushing it under the carpet.

 

Yeah of course I know they have - it's almost certainly the same guys (Levski fans) or a very similar type of young lads from a similar club.

Backtracked on the school boys comment because it isn't relevant, 15/16 year olds or 20/21 year olds, they're still thick young uneducated lads - they're not relevant and certainly not worth going all hysterical over.

I myself am from an ethnic minority and my 'race' have been subject to racist chants from certain clubs/countries and have been subsequently banned and punished for these - we see them for what they are, thick young morons. What arguably makes things worse is everybody going all hell on earth over it, it's not nice being sat at work when everybody's talking about it and constantly reminding you about it.

What would be better is UEFA dealing with it more stringently - banning the crowd for a number of games for example. For these young lads the football is everything so that will really hit home more than a petty fine to the country's FA.

 

An opinion has more substance coming from somebody from an ethnic minority background who has been subjected to racial abuse/discrimination, than coming from a white bloke living in Britain.

Take multiple figures who have said the same thing, Southgate said the other day "It's very easy for me to comment on racism as a white middle aged man". The guy on TalkSport echoed this view on Drive yesterday tea time, when he was with Darren Bent he said "I couldn't possibly know how it feels".

 

Well I’ve been abused in the past also, so does my opinion count more than others on here?

I couldn’t care what Southgate thinks, it is his opinion not fact as it is my opinion that anyone can discuss or be offended by racism.

 

Common sense.

There are approximately 740 Million people living in Europe. Even if we play this extra, extra, extra cautious and assume that only 0.005% percent of the European population hold racist views then we're still looking at a number well into it's millions. If you want though, we can pretend that we live in a near perfect society and whittle the millions down to its hundreds. That's hundreds of people who your "who cares" attitude is sending the wrong message to and will only encourage further. Brushing over a problem does absolutely nothing to solve it.

No, the small number of Bulgarian fans being racist does not reflect the entire population of Bulgaria (I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion?) it reflects those that share similar racist opinions and the increasing problem we have with this sort of behaviour at sporting events-obviously. I'm not sure that needed explaining?

 

You said 15 people in a stadium is reflective of hundreds and thousands of people across Europe.

That is an absurd, unfounded conclusion based on nothing. “Common sense” is not evidence.

 

I don’t agree with your first point in saying that black communities are “blinkered” I think that’s quite generalistic and in my opinion their view on police racism is very justified.

I do agree with your second point in that a discussion ought to include everybody as it will then carry more weight and will be a more constructive discussion.

 

I'll rephrase it for you "Brushing over racism does nothing to help solve the problem within Europe". No numbers in there, and the point is EXACTLY the same as I've made in my previous 2 posts, which you've chosen to ignore to be needlessly pedantic.

Anything to help you win an argument eh?

 

Now you’re just making a whole new (obvious) statement in an vain attempt to hide the fact the one in question is utter nonsense.

nb You’re the one editing your posts to win an argument pal.

 

Sorry, but why have I had 4 posts deleted from this thread?

I thought I brought up some valid points.

 

Why didn't you just take the swear word out if was upsetting you so much? Surely that's better than needlessly deleting 4 posts?

 

I think you are treadding into dangerous waters here.

There are many documented cases of unarmed black people being killed for little reason.

The problem with your arguments is it puts onus on the victims.

 

Did Thatchers scheme ever actually start. I remember it being discussed but I was young

 

Yes all fans had to register with the club, stopped violence and led to the game as it is now along with all seater stadiums and video surveillance

 

The only one that was against site rules was the bełlend bit, the last one didn't happen and 2 of them were related to a wider point with maybe one needless sentence at the end. At best, all he had to do was edit out a couple of sentences and the rest of the material consisted of perfectly valid discussion and a bit of harmless arguing that is fairly standard for forums. There were a couple of choice words in there but deleting 90% of my content seems a bit excessive for something that could have been sorted out in under 2 minutes,

Also If you want constructive debate don't:

*accuse me of editing my posts and changing the argument in a feeble attempt to win a debate. I don't do that and I seriously doubt anyone else does either. I'm just a sloppy typer and often miss out the odd word, make typos etc

*misquote/ misunderstand everything I say, get fixated on things that don't matter, avoid the main discussion point and deny the obvious.

Do that, and there's plenty of constructive debate to be had without the abuse.

Thanks.

 

1 screenshot is not 'facts' that back up his outrageous claims from the previous post.