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No more FA Cup replays

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Birky Bantam, Apr 18, 2024.

  1. QCFC BANTAM

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    Still waiting SimonW.....
     
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    Because they love the money.....playing foreign teams much more lucrative than Bradford on a Tuesday...greedy fatcats....
     
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  3. SimonW

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    I highlighted one situation where you all started crying about the Super League while being obvious to the changes UEFA were proposing to the all 3 European Competitions which really were just as much a locked in system unless you were in a farmers league in Eastern Europe but required more and more pointless matches, the same with FIFA and their club world championships. Or the changes to the International tournaments that don't impact you because no international team would want your crap players.

    Or another Project Big picture which while the EFL as an organisation was happy with it as it helped the whole of the EFL, most clubs weren't because you all want more handouts but also the likes of yourselves want to be one of the yo-yo clubs that spend a year or two in the league before getting parachute payments for a few years and then coming back up for a couple.

    And what has this resulted in, stronger rules that basically make it illegal for clubs to enter any tournament not sanctioned by the FA/PL and which forces clubs to take part in any competition the PL/FA tells it to so even if the Champions League extends to a proper 36 match league alongside the national league the top clubs will have no choice but to play both. And we are also getting a football regulator which is likely to remove even more of the cards that clubs have against these corrupt, self-imposed governing bodies.
     
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    How is that the same, do you want to go deep having had to play southern teams who were none are higher than League 1, which takes two matches and which requires both sets of fans to make long journeys, one of them midweek and actually very few turn up so no-one makes any money from it? If it was seeded the smaller clubs would all get a prestige tie and it would cut down the same division matches, especially prem vs prem matches that are the ones that most often go to replays until later in the tournament. And if the top seed always played away it would ensure the big payday for the smaller club which often their own ground wouldn't allow for as much to be made all without them having the costs that almost always come with hosting a big team. The way things are you probably stand as much chance of winning away as you do home because the old advantage of the pitch isn't really there anymore, even how bad your pitch is right now is better than even many of the top sides had prior to the mid 90's and thats remove much of the home advantage for smaller clubs
     
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    Wow, you are such a bitter spoilt PL numpty aren't you!!

    We started crying.
    Our crap players.
    Yo yo clubs like us.

    I know you do loads to support the forum but your sanctimonious attitude is appalling. You really should get to grips with lower league football where clubs basically live hand to mouth and not complain about your multi multi millions....
     
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  6. SimonW

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    I don't think it needs to just be champions because it would potentially go the other way and be too few matches, especially in some countries with like 18 team top divisions and 1 cup plus lets be honest a cup where you have just 1 team from the top leagues and then having Man City play against the champions of Estonia isn't a great competition, when you have strong leagues you need more of them teams in than the rubbish leagues else its boring BUT certainly going back to an actual knockout would be better but as I've said UEFA don't want that, their total new TV deal is said to be almost 40% higher, their new sponsorship deals the same and thats largely due to the more matches. The clubs are getting 9% more. If they had got the structure they wanted and are most likely to push for before the 3 year deal starting next season is up would have most likely increased it by many times that as it had a lot more games than the Swiss model.

    UEFA (and the same with FIFA) want to use the big clubs names to sell TV and Sponsor deals to fill their pockets despite the fact we already see players struggling to stay fit with all the football they are required to play, the in-between season getting shorter and pre-season conditioning often being truncated. It's almost getting to a point where rather than 25 man squads teams need 50 man squads to allow for injuries and just being able to rotate players who are in the red zone
     
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  7. SimonW

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    First of all I would hazard a guess I've attended more non-league matches than you ever have. I know their struggles and I'm all for more money going down the pyramid but there has to be some quid pro quo to it. There is too much blinkered, self serving through all of football and it usually actually just sees the governing bodies making more and none of it filtering down to where its needed. When something doesn't impact you like the Champions League reforms clubs and fans of those clubs largely aren't even aware of what's going on. They only seem to pay attention when clubs do something in response to being taken advantage of and even then they ignore the catalyst and just blame the big clubs. As football fans even if it doesn't impact your club we should have issues with the increasing cash grab by self-appointed governing bodies like UEFA and FIFA.

    And I didn't call you a yo-yo club. But there is a yo-yo club problem with the Premier League and it's seen by many clubs as a valid business strategy and you see clubs wanting to join in on it. When the Premier League started you were able to name 3 subs, if remember rightly you could only bring on 2 and we are now at the point that 5 can come on (or 6 if either team makes a concussion sub) from 9 named. The problem is everytime a change to the subs has been proposed the teams who think they may go down block it saying it gives the top teams an unfair advantage, its just an excuse to give them a negotiation position and either within weeks or by the next season they have come around but only after Parachute payments have gone up. This gives them an unfair advantage in the championship and often see's them come back up within a season or 2. It was the bottom clubs that even voted against concussion subs initially, something thats actually about player safety just so they could get some extra millions in parachute payments. Especially now that clubs that are likely to go down have their players on contracts that reduce on relegation and increase on promotion its a position that if you don't think you can be assured to be top half every season is a good thing to target, if you stay up an extra season its a bonus but if you don't you are quids in and most likely you will be able to hold a vote hostage to get the money increased. And look at Project big picture, it would have helped almost all the EFL clubs, it actually gave a fairer split to L1 & L2 but again EFL clubs were largely against it because either a) they are already benefiting from parachute payments which were going to go away with that money going into the over all pot to be shared or b) They aspired to be one of those yo-yo clubs and the money that went with it.

    And I'll stand by the crap players comment, if FIFA introduce their World nations League like they have been proposing, UEFA make the Euros every 2 years and were the World Cup keeps getting bigger and longer (and held in unsuitable places that result in it being moved to December) it largely doesn't impact City as your players are largely from the UK and those nations have big enough pools that a League 2 player isn't getting anywhere near. It might seem harsh but it's the reality.

    Think of it this way, if the EFL were to decide with clubs having basiclaly no say that the EFL trophy would be expanded so it stopped being regionalised, you played every team twice and it became 8 groups of 8 and money the clubs got barely increased would you be happy? That's the situation the Premier League clubs have with UEFA and FIFA. And again without any real financial benefit, financial benefit that would somewhat trickle down if they got it but which UEFA/FIFA keep for themselves
     
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    Disgauting the EFL were not consulted but Exeter replay on a Tuesday night wasnt ideal. Its ok hoping for Man Utd or Liverpool......but reality is Exeter, Forest Green and Gillingham.
     
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    Stolen from the Sunderland afc site, but I agree with him.
    BOYCOTT THE FA CUP
    [​IMG]BEN HARDIE
    Recently the FA announced a rather major change to the format of the FA Cup by completely scrapping replays from the First Round onwards and, whilst this certainly won’t affect Sunderland in any major capacity, it definitely will have a profound negative effect on many of the teams below us in League One and Two and non-league clubs. Because of this, I believe a boycott from clubs in the EFL (non-league clubs still need the revenue) is needed for next year’s competition.
    We need to send a message to the Premier League and Football Association that both denying lower league clubs a major source of revenue in the form of replays and making changes to one of the best things about English football without consulting the 700+ teams who play in the competition on a yearly basis who aren’t in the top flight is completely unacceptable.
    By deciding how a competition which is primarily made up of teams outside of the top flight without also receiving input from those clubs is yet another example of football moving away from its traditional roots and more evidence that the FA is now merely a puppet to the Premier League and broadcasters. FA Cup games being broadcast on non free to air channels from 2025-26 was the first warning sign that the people running football in this country simply do not care about the sport itself but rather how they can benefit themselves through lucrative deals. The arguments for scrapping replays are ridiculously lazy to the point where you have to think they are almost trying to mock teams who aren’t in the Premier League.
    Fixture congestion doesn’t make any sense as an argument because EFL clubs will often play far more games than their Premier League counterparts. They could play in three different cup competitions and also feature in the playoffs. Compare this to a Premier League side who isn't in a European competition, and they’ve got only two cup competitions and a lesser amount of league fixtures to worry about. Besides, even if Premier League clubs tended to play more games than their lower league counterparts, they have access to far far more resources than them and should be able to deal with a greater amount of fixture congestion. Look at Truro City or Gateshead’s fixture schedule in the last few game weeks and I’ve not heard a single complaint from either of their managers - unlike Jurgen Klopp who thinks he’s entitled to moan about an entirely normal schedule for a season.
    I didn’t see any of these Premier League clubs complaining about FIFA expanding the Club World Cup, or Champions/Europa League (and the reason for that is no doubt monetary) so why is potentially having to play a couple of extra games in the FA Cup such a big inconvenience? When the likes of Shrewsbury managed to take Liverpool to a replay it was a huge moment for them and a fantastic achievement; go back further and would Sunderland, a Second Division side, have been able to win the FA Cup in 1973 without replays? The big actors want to strip football of what makes it great, stories of teams defying the odds to challenge bigger clubs, to benefit coddled Premier League stars and whiny managers who don’t actually understand why regular people love the game.
    A boycott of EFL clubs would be a huge statement and actually show the Premier League that they aren’t the only power in English football who gets to have a say. The EFL existed long before the Premier League and the FA Cup longer before the EFL so how is right that only the 20 clubs who happen to make up the top flight in this exact moment in time get to have a say?
    For some clubs like Sunderland scrapping replays is probably actually a benefit. But that is why it is vital the bigger clubs in the Championship - Leeds, Ipswich, Leicester, West Brom etc - need to show solidarity with their fellow lower league clubs and get behind a boycott to demonstrate that football shouldn’t be about selfishness and doing what only benefits your club.
    Without replays we wouldn’t have seen Crawley Town get to the Fifth Round in 2010/11 as a non-league side nor Sutton doing the same in 2016/17. Those were major achievements and remember how talked about that Marine vs Tottenham game was?
    The FA doing this is a major dereliction of duty to run the game for the benefit of all clubs no matter how small and if the clubs outside of the Premier League don’t do everything in their power to make them rethink their decision it’s only going to get worse. Eventually I fear the FA Cup and certainly the League Cup may cease to exist as the tournaments we are all familiar with (if that hasn’t already happened). I’m not sure if a boycott would work but we have to try something otherwise the rich will simply continue to mutilate our game that existed long before they got involved. Perhaps hyperbolic, but I think this genuinely could lead to the death of non-league football clubs and deny non-league clubs the ability financially to gain promotion to the Football League. That should be reason enough to no longer allow those running the game to run it into the ground like a series of ungenerous oligarchs.
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    And the Premier League wonder why the governemnt is implementing the independent body to govern the game
     
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    The arrogance....

    [​IMG]
     
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    I've written somewhat of a piece on this over the weekend from a City perspective, which is on the Football League World website
     
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    Turn your sarcasm radar on
     
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    Glory in a round one/ round two replays. Weren't they already stopping from round 3 ?
     
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    I bet the FA are sh!tting themselves now.
     
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    Has anyone mentioned our game against Spurs yet? 2-2 at VP and a proper beating in the replay (5-1) . Made us few bob.
     
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    Don't be daft Gary, most of those complaining aren't as old as you or I !
     
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    Well as much as I am against the abolition of replays, it also shows the rarity of it being a big issue. That said, the money it brought in must have made a difference. On balance though, if the Prem lot want to ease the fixture congestion, STOP SCHEDULING GAMES ALL OVER THE PLACE!
     
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    To be fair mos prem clubs don't schedule post season friendlies. Spurs seem to be the worst offender, they are going to Australia to play Newcastle this summer I believe and I seem to recall Chelsea have a few times in recent seasons but most don't. These should be outlawed though, its ridiculous as players need a rest and some of these players will be going to the Euros, Copa America, Olympics or in rare cases the u17 or u19 Euros this summer or countless other ones in future seasons

    Pre-season though there isn't really a problem with going abroad for these, there is usually a fitness benefit going abroad onto of the commercial benefit.
     
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    Round 3 & 4 currently have them but they are generally between clubs of the same level, Premier League vs Premier League replays are especially common. As I've said before on this thread it has got increasingly rare for teams at a level it makes a really big difference to take it to a replay, to a point where if most clubs L1 and down will be generally hoping for a away tie against a PL club anyway as the PL side will generally get more people into the ground than they could in their ground even with money being spent on temp stands and the pitch isn't the leveller it generally was. And a PL club is as likely to underestimate them at their ground as they are at yours, replays usually see them wake up.

    The reality is so many replays are actually unappealing especially when it's then midweek and the financial benefits just aren't very good. Getting it done on the day is better financially for both clubs in most cases
     
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