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No more FA Cup replays

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Birky Bantam, Apr 18, 2024.

  1. Birky Bantam

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    From next season there will be no replays in the FA Cup from the 1st round.

    With the changes to the UEFA competitions this was inevitable although I thought they'd go for the middle ground 1st and having no replays from the 3rd round.

    All rounds will be played on weekends (although the 4th round will go from Friday to Wednesday) with the 4th, 5th and 6th round being on weekends with no Premier League matches.

    With the fixture pile ups clubs have had this might help things a bit. In theory it should make upsets more common than with replays. The traditionalists won't like it but with the way football is going especially at the top it was always going to happen, as much as people like to say forget about the premier League the reality is that lower leagues would be in huge trouble without Premier League money and there's no turning back.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68844583
     
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  2. Edin Nowhere

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    I'm sure with the removal of FA Cup replays the big teams can fit in an extra few games pre season in the far east, etc.

    A real win for grassroots football....
     
  3. SimonW

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    In one way it makes sense, more often than not a good competetive initial match results in an easy walkover in the replay and with the increase in quality of pitches across the board (well apart from at valley parade lol) trying to battle hard to get a bigger team to your place where the conditions might help you isn't really as helpful.

    However it does remove that ability to get 2 cuts of gate receipts and maybe two sets of TV money which can actually set some clubs up for multiple seasons. You also lose situations like the 98/99 FA Cup Semi (although we had already lost that at SF stage anyway) between United and Arsenal where the first game was dull and the ET would have also most likely been dull but that replay was amazing, maybe one of the best FA Cup matches with Keane's red, Phil Neville giving away the penalty, Schmeichel saving it and then Giggs wonder goal
     
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  4. SimonW

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    TBF while the article doesn't mention it there was talk when discussion opened that there would be more money for grassroots coming from the PL. So individual clubs might not benefit in the way they did if they could get a replay before but all the grass roots will benefit collectively. The only problem might be how much has the EFL and especially Championship been able to carve out from the 'grassroots' fund for themselves like always seems to happen
     
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  5. SteveC

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    Long overdue IMO, about time they knocked the replays on the head

    I want ties settled on the day. Replays only benefit the coffers of the clubs involved, with not a thought given to the fans (costs, inconvenience travelling on a Tuesday night etc)
     
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    A decision made to pamper to the big clubs, plain and simple.
    As Simon W has pointed out, a lucrative replay can keep a small club going for a season.
     
  7. Edin Nowhere

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    The Accrington Chairman says it is news to him. He thinks the EFL have been cut out of this altogether.
     
  8. Bigrod

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    You wonder if they should change the rules as to where the tie should be played.?

    Sometimes the FA (or EFL) cup is the only opportunity most supporters of smaller clubs will get to see their team play a Premier league team.

    For instance if City were to draw @SimonW@SimonW ’s Manchester United, and the game was scheduled to be played at Old Trafford, then the maximum number of tickets available would be around 9,211. Clearly we have far more Season Ticket holders than that, so some would miss out (like the Chelsea game).

    One way to give something to the smaller team supporters would be to seed the draw system. So that the team which at the time of the draw, that was lower on the League ladder, were awarded a home tie. Consequently all the home Season Ticket holders would get a chance to get a ticket.

    Alternatively allocate 25% of the seats to the away team.
     
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    Right decision imo, the odd club will miss out. But you’re more likely to have to go down to the likes of Exeter and Plymouth on a Tuesday night, like a couple of years ago than draw at home to a United or Liverpool and get a lucrative reply. One game against them is still enough to make money and if you draw you may win on penalties and get more money as a result anyway.
     
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  10. bantam316

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    Right decision if your a prem league fan, but for al lower league clubs including us.. its a potential huuuuuge revenue loss and another nail in the coffin of our beloved game, its all to appease the super rich clubs just so they can fly out to the far east. Football is becoming more and more like the NFL, its only a matter of time when your premier league clubs end up playing x amount of league games in the far east.
     
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    25%??

    You think we'd take nearly 20,000 to Old Trafford? That's just insane!
     
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    It'll be Saudi first I would think with the way they are chucking money around for sorting events.
     
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    So if we get Chelsea at home say, draw to them and win on penalties then draw United in the next round, how are we worse off than likely going down there in a Tuesday night and getting pumped? Some clubs will lose out but in reality it’s going to stop two visits on a Tuesday night to Exeter when you need to focus on the league.
     
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    I think the option should be available to switch the tie if agreed between both teams. A non league side v Man Utd at home won’t raise a fraction of the gate receipts a game at old Trafford would (unless it’s on TV). It’s another step to downgrading this great competition because before we know it, prem clubs will opt for putting reserve players in, until the quarter or semi final.
     
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    Bring back unlimited number of replays I say. I think the record for one tie is 6.

    I doubt the big teams moaned then about the number of games played.

    Was it the 80s when Arsenal v Liverpool semi final went to 4 games?
     
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    Old Trafford holds around 75,000. They would have to realign the segregation and so would probably not have a full capacity. So not 20,000.

    The whole point of floating ideas is to promote discussion, rather than having a narrow view.

    The actual percentage of the seats could be reduced, but it would have to be a fixed formula for evenhandedness.

    I certainly think we could take far more than 9,211 which is the current allocation.
     
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    Personally if they have and the moneys going to National league and below instead then I'm fine with that. While its a shame L1 & L2 clubs will lose out you just have to look at the way the EFL handles other deals where L1/2 gets the short end of the stick just to help fund Championship clubs who on the whole are some of the financially worst run clubs in the country, they rely on current PL handouts, getting a season or 2 of PL money and parachute payments. Maybe it will get L1/2 clubs to stand up and demand a bigger slice while demanding the championship clubs are run better
     
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  18. Birky Bantam

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    From what I understand the £33m from the Premier League is for grassroots only, the deal being negotiated for the EFL is separate and will be worth a lot more than £33m
     
  19. SimonW

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    You say that but the big clubs weren't the ones who were pushing for the changes made to various non-european competitions.

    The big clubs were against UEFA's planned expansion of the Champions League, Europa League and Conference Leagues which is a big reason why the Super League was muted (UEFA's initial proposal would see way more games than current European competitions and more than the Super league proposed. Even the compromise has more games). They are being forced to by UEFA and the FA's. The Big clubs weren't in favour of the expansion of the Club World Cup, they again are being forced into it by FIFA, UEFA and the FA's And lets look at the World Cup, clubs weren't happy with the expansion of that, they were appeased by the fact they were told it would be groups of 3 which meant even with an extra knockout round no-one would play more matches than before and it would last the same time, then after getting the OK to expand it they have gone back on it, its now groups of 4, has an extra knockout round and lasts over an extra week (And the US, Canada and Mexico now have to find an extra two stadiums over their initial plan)

    It's the pandering to the Governing bodies as much as anyone
     
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  20. Tony Wilkinson

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    What's all the fuss about anyway, we know we are gonna get drawn at home to Alfreton Town in the first round and lose in front of 1700 ...
     
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