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No more FA Cup replays

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Birky Bantam, Apr 18, 2024.

  1. Kevin1954

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    For smaller struggling clubs that’s the end of the potential “ cup lifeline” . Draw against a big club at home, achieve a draw and get a big payday for the replay Appalling decision that just panders to CC and snouts in the trough league.
     
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  2. andyc

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    So we get Liverpool at home in the FA cup, battle to a draw after 90+minutes , then have to play extra time and probably lose to their better quality and fitness , missing out on £500,000 plus from a replay.
    MADNESS.
     
  3. Foghornleghorn

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    Once again pandering to the Haves while the Havenots are left with the TinPot Trophy.
    They always quote "Grass Roots" we don't even have any at VP.
     
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  4. Hulmebantam

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    When I first started taking an interest in football in the late 70s there were a few that went to 3 or 4 replays, I think one involved Sheffield Wednesday.

    My first visit to Elland Road was for a cup replay between Hull City and Blyth Spartans. Not sure why it was played there, maybe as a neutral venue after several attempts. It went to extra time as well before Hull won 2-1. Think we got home about midnight, my Dad was in the doghouse for that as my brother was only about 7 or 8 at the time.

    But addressing the main point, I do think it is sad to lose replays. It changes the dynamics of the game and not for the better.
     
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  5. bantam2708

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    Replays should've been binned in round 1 and 2 where it's primarily L1 and L2 teams playing each other and nobody benefits from replays in those fixtures.

    Would've kept them for round 3 onwards but that doesn't benefit the big boys so was never going to happen.
     
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  6. SimonW

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    It's rare though for a 3rd round or later tie to goto a replay where the size difference between the teams really makes a difference and the few times that it has over the last handful of seasons its often been the big teams played at home on the initial match anyway so they have made their attendance money in the first game, infact often the replay incurs them extra costs and still they can't get enough people in the ground.

    You also have to remember that its the big teams whose players have had bore the brunt of the fixture congestion, fixture congestion that they can't opt out of as the FA insists clubs go and play in the Champions League, World Club Championships and release players for more and longer international tournaments. It's no coincidence that so many Premier League clubs have had major injury issues this season. The risk is that teams field weaker and weaker teams in the FA Cup like they do the league cup if number of matches aren't reduced as players playing when in the red zone is a problem.

    Mind you it should have come with a ban on post season friendlies that the likes of Chelsea have been doing in recent years as thats just taking the piss. It's one thing going abroad for pre-season as there are benefits to that beyond commercial but making players play friendlies at the end of season when they are already running on almost empty
     
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  7. NorthernMonkey

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    You've been on the wacky backy if you think we're taking those sorts of numbers.
     
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    Whenever there is any kind of discussion on the issue a lot of people who watch us rate Paul Scholes' goal at Valley Parade as a highlight of "our" time in the Premiership, so I think we'd easily shift 20000 tickets for a match at Old Trafford.
     
  9. SimonW

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    The problem is United have 55,000 season tickets. Once you get the tickets that the FA, Sponsors, commercial boxes, player tickets etc. Then you also have the percentage they have to keep back for international supporters clubs and also the members ticket raffle. So you would actually end up with United season ticket holders being denied tickets. For more away tickets to be given in a significant amount it would need the FA to give up the tickets they require to be given to them and their sponsors and that won't happen
     
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  10. Bigrod

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    I can understand a number of the points you make. However l would suggest that International Supporters and the Members Ticket Raffle could be readily dispensed with. I understand the 55,000 Season Ticket argument, but l know a significant number of Supporters sell their tickets back to the club (those could be made available to International Fans). Additionally the number given to the FA could be reduced, l understand that once again some of these end up being resold anyway.
    I am just trying to explore options for the smaller clubs, so that if the exceptionally ‘big day’ comes around, they have an opportunity to see their team play a top club live.
     
  11. SimonW

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    Membership guarentess a certain number of home tickets are made available for the ticket raffle so it's not that simple. They can't just decide not to. It's the same with supporters clubs, across the network they are guaranteed a certain number in their agreements. And as they are international supporters clubs they can't just give them the returned ones because obviously they need to plan a whole trip
     
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  12. Bigrod

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    The fact that replays are being dispensed with, is to primarily meet the needs of the Premiership elite! About time something was put back for the supporters of the smaller clubs. The membership people and international fans wouldn’t get a look in if the games were played at the smaller clubs grounds. A fair system would recognise that if the big clubs are gaining, then in a fair world small clubs should also get something out of the change of circumstances.
     
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    I would hope City show solidarity with the majority of the EFL and below and release their own damning statement tomorrow.
    I’m a City fan, had a season ticket for about 12 years but since moving around I’ve had a few year’s following Farsley and I’ve been a dedicated Peterborough Sports fan for the last few years-1st round proper with the potential of a reply would be incredible for us against someone big.
    A number of clubs have made FA cup money the catalyst for growth. F the prem, those at the FA and the Government who allowed this
     
  14. Fordy117

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    This is a disgraceful decision!
     
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    The addition of extra competitions in Europe and the more teams and games added to the likes of the champions league any available time slots are being taken up by that. I enjoy the FA cup but let's be honest it's not what it used to be, even the general TV coverage is average at best and the growth of European competition was always going to be a threat to things like replays.
     
  16. Kevin1954

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    I wouldn’t quote Liverpool as an example , their world has come crashing down in the last two weeks …. ;)
     
  17. Bantam-in-Greece

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    Time for all clubs to now boycott the FA Cup in protest.
     
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    I'm in two minds here. On one hand I can see exactly why they have abolished them to keep parity across the whole competition and to stop fixture congestion amongst the elite. On the other, as rounds one & two don't affect the elite, then why tinker.

    However, given the typical round one & two ties are at very best two league one clubs, and at worst two non league clubs, I can see the logic in removing a midweek trip to Exeter for Barrow, or Torquay to Gateshead to use the worst example, and I would question if 99% or replays at round one and two actually make any money.

    If they don't then scrapping them is a good idea. I think I would take it a stage further, given that extra time usually hands an advantage to the home team, causes issues in fans getting trains, and can do more damage to a pitch, and go straight to penalties.

    If the home team can't win in normal time, then they shouldn't have the advantage of 30 extra minutes on their patch.
     
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  19. Bantam-in-Greece

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    It's when such as Halifax ( for example) draw Man. Utd at home, force a replay then lose out on a big money spinner replay at OT. Money lost that could see security for a lot of years.
    That's what's wrong UG.
    Will stopping replays stop the elite from playing exibition matches abroad for extra cash etc??
     
  20. BantamJ

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    It’s a disgraceful decision no doubt.

    But I do wince with how desperate it sounds around how helpful the money would be. I get it, but must we play our cards so public. How about we don’t waste money on crap players and paying mangers off and oh Rupp dip his hand which means we may not feel this as much.

    Not taking away that this is a disgraceful decision. 3 clubs I’ve seen so far who have been vocal on this in our league are Accy and Tranmere- 2 clubs who seem to be eternally skint, like us!
     

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