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Next Prime Minister (with October 2022 poll)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, Jul 12, 2022.

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Who will be the new Tory party leader and Prime Minister

Poll closed Oct 25, 2022.
  1. Kemi Badenoch

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  2. Suella Braverman

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  3. Tom Tugendhat

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  4. Boris Johnson

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  5. Sajid Javid

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  6. Penny Mordaunt

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  7. Priti Patel

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  8. Grant Shapps

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  9. Rishi Sunak

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  10. Nadhim Zahawi

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  11. Coco The Clown

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  1. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
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    Well, I'm not a climate change denier like you. I would actually like us to limit the damage we leave behind to our children, grandchildren and future generations. So your your preoccupation with 'eco warriors' and net zero opposition sounds utterly selfish and pathetic to me.
    Yes, reducing knife crime and stopping criminal gangs are obviously important issues. But they're much more complex problems to solve than simplistic right wing hang 'em and flog 'em proponents would have us believe. Crime levels are always linked to social and economic conditions. So, when the party you support has spent the last twelve years wrecking the economy, running down public services and ballooning the gap between rich and poor it's no surprise that crime is on the increase. They've also significantly cut police spending, which certainly doesn't help matters, but it's not the primary issue. Expecting Truss to turn these things around just by increasing police numbers and locking up even more people than we already do is pie in the sky thinking. Especially when her default position is to cut taxes for the rich and reduce spending on public services.

    As usual, you delusionally assume that you and the people you mix with are 'the silent majority' who are all preoccupied with the same things as you are. This is clearly nonsense. As I've explained many times, more people voted for centre and centre left parties at the last election than voted for the right. This in a year when Brexit skewed the vote further to the right than it would otherwise have been and the Labour leader was an unpopular figure who alienated many centrist voters.

    What most people care about is putting food on the table, heating their homes, having prompt access to good healthcare when they or their families need it, having decent education for their kids, and having a bit of money left over for holidays, leisure activities etc. The Tories have been in power for twelve years and they are failing miserably on all of those elements. Lurching further to the right, as you would have them do, isn't going to solve any of the problems, nor get them re-elected.
     
  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    No mention there of the invasion...?
    At current rates (1000+ per day) this will bring in 1 million (1,000,000) every 3 years, please tell me how that might impact on our NHS, education, economy, housing etc
    Even the MSM are reporting it now...but where's the left on this, where's Starmer/Raynor and Co...?
    Net zero and eco warriors, what a stupid carry on, as you well know this country is only responsible for 1% of the planets carbon emissions, go tell the chinese and the indians, me not having a ham sandwich this lunchtime ain't gonna stop climate change on this rock flying through space, get real...
    If there were a referendum on the death penalty being available for certain crimes I reckon the result would be something like 80/20 in favour...get real.
    Yours truly, Colonel Blimp...
     
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  3. Clity

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    Swap blimp with gimp, simp, chimp and at your age probably limp and you have a more accurate name for yourself
     
  4. Rogered Tart

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    Hard to disagree with that. Only bit I'll add is that the majority of folk want a fair system. Not right, left, centre left, centre right, inside out upside down. Just fair. Problem with that is both sides will never work with each other to solve the problems both sides of the divide bring to the table. And ultimately that's where politics fails the masses. The majority by and large are a silent majority, they tolerate the problematic left and right in the hope that a happy medium could be found allowing most of us just to get on with our lives.
    The fact that we've had the worst prime minister in living memory yet folk are still worried what the alternative is tells me politics is broken in this country.
    All you who vote get exactly what you deserve
     
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  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    Did I leave something out...?
    Oh, and one day you'll be unwoke, older and wiser....I hope x
     
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  6. Offcomedun

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    I see you have taken the worst case scenario figures - ie in the warm summer months when the number of crossings is at its peak, and extrapolated that as though it is the norm, which it clearly isn't. People don't cross the channel in small boats in those numbers during the colder, wetter months.
    The actual number crossing the channel in 2021 was 28,526 and is projected to be around 60,000 this year. That would equate to 180,000 every three years at current rates - ie, less than a fifth of the numbers you are claiming. These rates are undoubtedly too high but, in a population of 60m, it's nothing like the 'invasion' that you get so apoplectic about.

    As with many of these things, the solution is never as simplistic as the hang 'em and flog 'em Right would like us to believe. Flying people off to Rwanda certainly isn't going to cut it. Any effective deterrent will undoubtedly require the cooperation of the French authorities, who are under no obligation to assist us. Let's face it, if the tables were turned and we were the mainland country and France the island, people like you would be only too happy to wave the boats off from the beaches and say good riddance, yet you somehow expect the French to stop them leaving.
    Truss has already managed one massive PR gaffe before even taking office - by saying she's not sure if the French are our friends or our enemies. She's going to have to do a lot better than that to deal with the issue, and she's not exactly known for her tact and diplomacy, so I wouldn't be holding your breath. If she decides to renege on the Northern Ireland agreement, as she's threatening, and throws us into a full on trade war with the EU then I reckon she can kiss goodbye to any vestige of cooperation with French over the boat people, and the situation will get worse, not better

    Yes of course it will be necessary to get the Chinese and the Indians (not to mention the good ol' US of A) to cut their emissions in order to make a difference to climate change. But we spent 200 years forcefully subjugating most of the developing world, exploiting their raw materials and pumping carbon into the atmosphere while keeping their own populations in poverty and technological ignorance.
    Many of those countries are understandably bitter that we became a mega rich country on the back of their labours and resources, while polluting the planet with impunity. Now that they are starting to gain parity they understandably resent the idea that they should curtail their economic development to stop the global warming that we largely caused. The only way that we will have a chance of persuading those countries to change their energy practices is if we do it first and then assist them to do likewise. Just saying, 'we only currently produce 1% of the world's carbon emissions' is missing the point completely. The only way that devastating climate change can be slowed down is for the whole world to work together. That won't happen unless the countries that created the problem in the first place take a lead.

    You are probably correct about the death penalty. It satisfies some people's desire for vengeance. But it does absolutely sod all to improve crime rates. Likelihood of being caught, not punitive sentences, is the biggest deterrent to criminals. But that won't improve if Truss continues the previous Tory trend to cut spending on services like the police, probation and CPS.

    Regardless of our fundamental differences on these issues, they are not what is uppermost in most people's minds. Most people are not as obsessed about 'anti-woke' culture wars or migrants in the channel as you are. Health, education and, most importantly, the state of people's finances, are what will determine the result of the next election. If Truss manages to sufficiently turn those things around in the next two years then she'll have done exceptionally well. But she'll have her work cut out.
     
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  7. Clity

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    Shame you missed out on the wiser in your old age eh?
     
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    2 piss poor replies from you against my factual post though, think I'm ok ..
     
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    The new health secretary, it wasn't a joke.

    What a picture of health, we are in good hands.

    Screenshot_20220906_195541.jpg
     
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    Something for the Bullingdon Bantams to drool over.
     
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    youre losing your touch

    try again
     
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  13. Tony Wilkinson

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    No need mate, no competition...!!
     
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    Exactly, in my world if you are Unwoke you are dead and not much use to anyone,

    Wakey,Wakey rise n shine time to get your spades in the ground and head off to the sunlit uplands for some aspiration
     
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    She's hardly a role model for a health service which says it would prefer to focus it's resources on prevention of chronic illnesses rather than dishing out long term treatments!

    Notwithstanding that, she is also opposed to same sex marriage and has voted against pro-choice legislation. She and others in the new Cabinet suggest a marked shift to the right in future direction of our country. No doubt that will be welcomed by some!
     
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    in that case why did you get the mods to edit my post?
     
  17. Tony Wilkinson

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    You're on your own with that one, i've no idea...
     
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    Tony didn't ask the mods to do anything. The reason your post was edited was because it breached the BT guidelines on insulting other posters as was said when your post was edited.

    It may help if you refresh your memory by re-reading the site's etiquette guidelines

    Forum etiquette
     
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  19. Clity

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    Are you sure you werent the one who was offended? Calling an old man an old man seems a bit of an odd one to pick out. Seen as though a few posts earlier id called him much worse.

    Also isnt it a bit subjective as to what is and what is not a personal insult?

    He called me woke, unwise and too young to know any better. Why did you not take that as a personal insult?
     
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    Sick of her voice already!
     
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