Next Permanent Manager (now with Poll amended to include Truemen/Sellars)

Did it come from what you would deem a reliable source Frank ?

 

Well I guess they want to make the right decision but also do right by T&S who've done a fantastic job these last games. Perhaps an improved contract, bit of a pay rise or bonus for the lads would be a good move, City? It is Christmas after all!

 

You do realise its actually 7 wins right? Seriously whats your problem? Do you really think clarke and cooke are not that important to our team or something? Otherwise you are just being a WUM. And finally if youre going to be condescending at least actually have the common sense to find the actual number. Dearie me.

 

Is Clarke important to our team? At the moment yes.

Would Clarke be important to a team in a position we should be trying to achieve? Probably not.

I've said he would be a decent squad member in a well built squad but imo he's not as vital as you'd like to make out.

As for Cooke, I haven't mentioned him once, this debate was about Clarke.

7 wins in 26 games though? Like I said, pick any player at random and the percentages will be poor, that's just a given for a team with a record like ours.

 

Fair points, but it isnt unrealistic to make Hurst wait another week. It’s only been a few weeks since the process began? I’d give Trueman and Sellars one more week. That’s Tranmere away, Port Vale and Morecambe at home. If we get another 7 pts then they deserve it until the end of the season. If the team fails to impress, give Hurst the call.

 

If we are going to appoint Trueman and Sellars it should be longer than until the end of this season. That would not be fair to them and too short thinking and planning. If Sparks thinks they are the way forward, it should be a similar contract to what any other incoming manager would expect

 

Agree to an extent but would Hurst's nose be a put out of joint? If he is the preferred party then he should be set on asap.

I cannot see Grimsby being a bigger draw for him especially with a takeover on the cards.

However I am not that fussed how long it takes as we have pulled up the league and have started to look at least a competent side. Had we still been bottom 3 I would have wanted someone in asap.

 

Eel have all on refusing a deal like that.

 

If he is our no. 1 choice and convinced the panel then I’d agree, set him on. I suppose only the panel will know how they fared and the successful candidate only finds out if they are top pick when offered the job?

 

I think its too soon since Collins for them to get a big deal though. With all due respect to them (and I’ve been impressed so far) they didn’t have illustrious playing careers and have little management experience, so its a huge risk if Ryan takes them on.

The appeal with offering a role until the end of the season to me would be that if our form dips between now and the summer, we can slip them back into the youth set up and not lose two talented coaches from the club.

If we offered, say, 18 months or 30 month deals, not only are they costlier to pay off in the event of longer term failure, we would likely lose their input from the academy.

The other thing, of course, is that the managerial landscape changes in the summer. For example, a Ryan Lowe or a Chris Beech/Michael Flynn-type (if promotion bid fails) may then be available.

That may be be preferable to the board than someone like Hurst, who has had past success, but arrives on the back of recently failed projects etc.

I guess it all boils down to who was on our final shortlist and how much did they impress the interview panel. If someone already ticks all the boxes, then appoint him, but if its up in the air, at least the caretaker duo buy the panel more time.....

 

I said at the time many were saying the new manager would be announced we should give T&S until the Tranmere game but I wouldn't have a problem giving them until after the Morecombe home game to asses the situation.

 

That’d be my preference too Broncs. Another three games. If we pick up another 7 points then they deserve it until the summer. If we miss out on Hurst, big chuff, we might get someone like Flynn in the summer, depending how Newport fare after Christmas.

I appreciate the risk of relegation is too great to some. personally, i think we have enough to survive, having seen the fight in recent weeks we thought was lacking, but I appreciate some fans may be more cautious given relegation would have dire consequences.

 

I only talk about cooke as the stat refers to cooke too.

Okay i understand your point but for L2 I disagree. We will see towards the end of the season.

 

I’d be interested to know what Turnbulls relationship with Hurst was like when they worked together. As Sparks said in the programme notes the recruitment team has been in place for weeks now, I bet Turnbull has been on the interview panel for the new manager position and think he’ll have a big say on who gets the job.

 

Give Trueman and Sellars three more games. Let's see how that works out. TBH, why the feck should we worry about keeping anyone waiting - they'll have to wait on us. Do you know how many managers jobs are up for grabs right now in the Football League? A handful. How many out of work experienced managers are there? Dozens, bloody dozens. It's our shout for what we want, not any one individual.

 

If we have Turnbull in place, I wouldn't worry about Trueman and Sellars nous re new signings. We would want them in place to manage, coach and keep inspiring. I really don't get this idea that because a manager has years under their belt, that they somehow have a fast track into what are the best potential players around, particularly not younger ones. If you look at the record of most lower league managers, they tend to sign and re-sign players they know and have played with in the past. Sometimes works out, often doesn't.

 

The problem is, the window will be open not giving the new person chance to assess what they need. It’s ok having a recruitment team but they must bring in the players to suit the managers style of play and not take a scatter gun approach in the hope they fit.

 

What you’re ignoring is the fact that whilst signing Mitchell and Futcher he was letting go Goodman and Clegg and I’m not sure this strengthened the team
In the nearly season he added Sinnott and Tomlinson but much of the team had been signed by Cherry
The biggest advantage Dolan had was playing at Valley Parade whilst Cherry had suffered 18 months on the mud heap that is Odsal
Dolan had riches galore in the Summer of 1988 but replaced Hendrie McCall and Futcher with Banks Jewell and Thomas and during the season 88/9 added Chapman and Costello putting together a set of players that Yorath completed to take us from likely Premiership contenders to 3rd tier wallowers

 

Cherry had lost the dressing room mate, ask Martin Singleton, Greg Abbott among others, the 5-2 defeat at Huddersfield was among many thrashings before Cherry was sacked with City bottom of the league ,Dolan revitalised them. Clegg was just a very average player, and did nothing afterwards and Mitchell a huge upgrade.
Goodman was young but we needed an experienced centre forward who could hold up the ball. Yorath was hopeless as a manager but with Cherry they were an outstanding team, however on their own they were not very good. To degrade Dolan after what he achieved in 87/88 is crazy, it was even better football than 98/99 under Jewell, but unlike Jewell he was not backed by the chairman in the run up to the end of the season.