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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Twinny, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. king karl

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  2. Bronco

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    Why were Mark & Julian lucky they appointed Phil Parkinson, if thats the case are all sucsesful teams are lucky ?.
     
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  3. Bigrod

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    If he and the company secretary are receiving say £250,000 a year in salary + share dividends (tax efficient), plus the club is taking a loan and it is used to pay off his share of the purchase price, then any initial outlay will be recouped.
     
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  4. Aaron Baker

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    Surely the difference is that Man Utd have built up massive assets to borrow against and have a relatively stable income stream. Neither of these apply to us.

    Not saying it's impossible by any means but I'd like to see some actual evidence before this moved on past the "Oldham players didn't come on a coach" type of rumour
     
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  5. Aaron Baker

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    Because if they hadn't then we'd have been screwed.

    If that managerial appointment had gone the same way as their previous ones we probably wouldn't even have a club today.
     
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    Don't agree,the pitch HAD to be done,it was getting worse each season,and the number of postponement would just have increased,and if by some fluke we ever get some more talented players,they will want to play on a surface that does not resemble Blackpool beach.
     
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  7. Bronco

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    But thats the way football clubs work they get a manager in hope he's sucsessful ( because there are no guarentees)if not they move him out and bring another in, you only have to look at one of the biggest clubs in the World Real Madrid, winning the Spanish league is not their measure of sucsess its winning the Champions League anything less your out.
     
  8. Aaron Baker

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    I think that's massively simplistic and Real Madrid is a pointless comparison when we're talking about a club with several years of regression and on the cusp of non league.

    They were in last chance saloon and Parkinson got them out of it.....spectacularly. There was a massive slice of luck on their part.

    Am I right in thinking that they'd interviewed Parkinson before and picked either Jackson or Taylor?
     
  9. Bigrod

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    In the past City has provided accommodation for some of its players. There were reports that Carbone had a five bedroomed detached house in one of the wealthy Leeds suburbs, provided for him.https://widthofapost.com/2014/06/13/a-potted-history-of-bradford-city-5-benito-carbone/ Not sure if a similar ‘benefit’ has been arranged by the club for Rahic and his family. For example the club could take a mortgage out on a house, which a significant individual then rents it from the club at a peppercorn rent. There are many other examples of Grace and Favour style packages such as education for children and cars. So suddenly you do not need to spend a lot of your own money. A further example is that could fly to the continent ‘on business’ and the company could fund the tickets etc.

    Lets be very clear I am not saying that this is actually happening in City’s case, but looking at ‘theoretical’ ways in which not very much is needed from an individuals own pocket, to fund a very comfortable lifestyle.

    Some one may well have more knowledge about these possibilities.
     
  10. How

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    And he replaced him with a good manager in McCall. What a tyrant
     
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    All well and good till the brown and sticky stuff hits the fan and it will do
     
  12. How

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    Do you remember lawn picking the team or having a say on the team?

    Do you remember lawn kicking off when certain players were not playing in the Taylor era?

    Lawn demanding to see the team sheet before it was submitted?

    Lawn tell his manager he couldn’t play Brandon as we couldn’t afford him?

    There was much similar interference before. If not worse.

    Look back to Parkinson’s start. His side was that bad it was woeful. I think we won one or two of his first ten and we were struggling down the bottom end. Much like now.

    For me if Rahic steps back and appoints the right people and leave Hopkin to it he can turn this around. He’s not the devil he is made out to be I don’t believe. He is just so naive it’s untrue when it comes to football.
     
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    Much bigger clubs but same arguement.
    I don't know about interviewing Phil before Jacko or Taylor but I do remember Phil Parkinson co-commentating on one of our away games and several posters commented about iton C&B at the time, if you remember you replied about the Phil Parkinson appointment when I posted with being on holiday in Egypt I couldnt understand why Cooper had not been given the jod, 2 games as caretaker manager and 2 wins.
     
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    Don't think that is quite an accurate comment Phil Parkinson was the one who made the decision he could not work under Edins terms, and Edin was left high and dry until Julian & James Mason offered their advice that Stuart McCall would be ideal.
     
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    I think they did. Wonder if anybody else can remember?

    Exactly. That's how close we were to being fecked. We could have appointed Colin Cooper instead of Parkinson and it wasn't even a simple decision. Where would we be now?

    It's not the same argument. The point of a chairman is not to keep randomly selecting managers while regressing the club until you happen to find a good one.
     
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    As long as you have access to the funds initially, or someone willing to loan it, to actually buy the club in the first place
     
  17. Storck

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    Can they pay share dividends if the company isn’t making a profit?
     
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    The accounts don't specifically record 'large payments' unless they are significant and non-routine. As an example the transfer fees we paid for Wyke, McCarten etc are disclosed in the balance sheet.

    The more important issue in the context of whether the owners have used the club in some undefined way to raise their finance is that significant transactions between the company and its owners have to be included as notes to the accounts. If for example Rupp had loaned the club a million or two, that would be recorded in the balance sheet (as any loan would be) and additionally as a note to the accounts because it involves one of the owners. And it works equally in reverse. In addition to these notes, anybody daft enough to loan money to the club would have registered what's known as a 'charge' at Companies House for the value of the loan. That's what ML did when he loaned the club his £1million and he took a charge on the assets of the club, future revenue streams and the sale and sell-on of players. it's just normal practice when owners are providing loans to their companies (although many owners choose to provide the loans interest free!). A look at Companies House shows no such charge on the club. Since the club is the only company in the ownership chain which has assets (and there aren't too many of them!), anybody with half a brain cell who is loaning the owners any money would have slapped a charge on the club. And there aren't any!

    It is quite possible that either Rupp or Rahic or even both have taken out loans to finance their original investment but that would simply be a private matter between them and whoever provided the finance. Nobody other than the parties to these loans would ever know the arrangements if it were a private one. The important thing however is that if such personal loans really do exist, they have not been raised against the club's assets but against R&R's own private assets.

    Which takes me on to my final point. Are the owners taking money out of the club to fund these mythical loans? There's a strong rumour that Herr und Frau Rahic are receiving salaries from the club. I suspect that is true since both are employed by the club and I'd expect nothing other than that. They have lives to run, family to support, a house to be paid for, pizzas to be bought etc. They can't live on fresh air.

    But are R&R taking anything extra by way of say dividends? The simple answer is no to this particular question. If they were. this would be disclosed in the notes and there is no such disclosure. From a very practical and legal perspective, the finances of the club prevent any dividends being paid legally to the owners for the simple reason that the club still has accumulated losses of around £2million in its accounts. Only when the accumulated losses have been magically converted into a profit can a divi be paid and that won't be soon. That's the law of the land and owners who don't comply with that can find themselves in the nick, being disqualified as a director in the UK and potentially elsewhere in the EU and find themselves banned from being involved in football ownership.

    That's a very risky approach indeed. But anybody who has any evidence that either Rpp or Rahic have acted illegally should in the first instance contact Companies House. If it's proved that they have have acted illegally, that really will get them out of the club!
     
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    Gutted that this has been debunked.

    Back to the baseless rumour drawing board.
     
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    Thanks @Dennis@Dennis. When the £2 mill has been eradicated if it ever is, and directors can receive divs, what happens if it falls into loses again, is it action replay?

    So it would be impossible for them to be taking money out of the club account without a designated purpose and it would need to be recorded?
     

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