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Can we stop blaming referees for where we are?

 

We are not but there is no doubt bad decisions have cost us a lot of points this season. I know things tend to even up but it hasn’t for us this season. When your down your luck is down. Bad play is why we are down there but it’s been made worse without doubt

 

Can you not apply your Jason Thornton comments to your own posts? You know the repetitive, predictable comments being so boring bits. Look back on this thread, for example. You've made essentially the same point 3 or 4 times so far. Every time a referee thread comes along you say the same (several times). Every Bradford City manager that ever was is tactically clueless every time we lose and the 'we need better' comment is made literally hundreds of times during transfer discussions.

 

Why can't the FA and Football League fund it, even to a basic extent. FA have allowed VAR into the competition but Newport missed out on a penalty but if it was Man City at home they would have been given it. Level playing fields please. There are cameras at every club now for ifollow so who funded that - EFL so they can make money from distribution rights. Even 1 camera set up towards 18 yard line for pens and offsides monitored by 4th official...they make enough money for God's sake....or just fine Millwall for pitch invasions, racist chanting and fights outside the ground, that would get a fair bit....

 

Referees aren’t to blame for our league position. The shambles in charge until the end of November is. Primarily the man whose name shall not be mentioned no more. He cocked it up. HopkinS is battling to right the ship. TBF we were adrift at one point and are no longer. We need to improve further but are slowly turning it around. Need to win our home games.

 

part-time officials earning £350/match + expenses after working a 5-day week in their full-time profession, sometimes travelling long distances the night before or morning of a match - and we expect them to get every decision correct? it's not going to happen. as others have pointed out, even those officials on £80k-100/year doing the job full-time in the PL get things wrong.

VAR and other technologies will ruin the game even more than it already has been. the great thing about football was that the rules were there and the same for all whether it was a world up final or a sunday morning pub league.

unless people on here want to train and qualify as a match official to prove they can do it better, we've just got to suck it up. i don't remember many people complaining for fairness if the officials get a decision wrong which goes in out favour.

 

Who has said anything different? I’m not sure anyone is linking our position to the referees’ performances. Doesn’t detract from the fact that some of the decisions have been massively wrong

 

Which end do you want the one camera?
VAR requires a minimum of eight.
The VAR team needed consists of the video assistant referee (VAR) and his three assistant video assistant referees (AVAR1, AVAR2 and AVAR3) plus four replay operators.
And after all that it is the match referee that has the final say anyway.

 

The FA annual income is around £370million and they cannot afford to introduce VAR?

 

The standard of refereeing in all divisions is below the standard it should be and the line persons generally even worse, It is no wonder that clubs have clamoured for VAR to improve the decision making, Wrong decisions are said by some to even out over a season but there is little evidence of that and is of no benefit, When clubs can lose £millions and be demoted by poor and incompetent decisions it is no wonder it is being introduced and hopefully improved so that it can be introduced in all four divisions, I am firmly of the belief that VAR will gradually improve refereeing standards and also show up those that do not have the ability required to referee professionally

 

Not just league 1.

PL and Championship as well.

No point going on about it like the sad Thornton on the Pulse.

Do something about it.

Saw Liverpool V Leicester the other day and Liverpool had a clear pen which wasn't given.

The standard of refs is poor put what can we do? Go down to the FA Headoffice and protest?

Suppose it's like boxing, just make sure it doesn't come down to a ref decision. Finish the game off.

Yesterday, Bradford City had chances! Only ourselves to blame for not winning.

 

Think the Pulse and Thornton are to blame for that mate.

Those that go to games understand it's not the refs fault.

 

The vast majority of what Thornton claims is or was a clear penalty/foul/handball/offside is not borne out on TV replays. Quite often he's either proved wrong or it's an extremely close call, so close that with the video replay it's difficult to decide what the correct decision is. Occasionally he gets it right. Obviously some decisions are so blatantly wrong that it is difficult to understand how the official got it so wrong, that's pretty rare though. They make mistakes, split second decisions. Players make bad mistakes in games all the time. Don't know why anyone would expect the refs to be free of bad mistakes.

 

Well I would like some clarity on that process, published online. It was my understanding that those that got poor scores were downgraded to L1/2.

The EFL need to pay for tech support for their league, and I have no qualms in saying that. ALL money coming into all football is funded by the fans in one format or another. Yes individual clubs have billionaires and millionaires funding their individual clubs, but this is not shares throughout the leagues. BUT the SKY, NOW, BT, ITV, BBC and all other monies goes into the PL and EFL, FA. It is their rules running football, and it is their responsibility to make sure that refs are fully supported with all the tech that can assist, and stop living in the past!

 

But Fordy, you're a closet scouser and Liverpool fan anyway. But just look up the rules that covers handball and apply it to the ball hitting Aguero's arm.

 

Hi Jon

I can only comment on the games that I co-commentate on, as I live just outside the Pulse reach so can't often listen to games when I don't go, but that is totally not my experience and seems to be a myth that has grown over the years. I've probably co-commentated on 10-12 games this season and I can't remember any where we talked about the ref very much, other than discussing a referee's decision at the moment. If it is a really key moment like a penalty denied or a disputed sending off, it will naturally get mentioned several times over the rest of the show, but again that is typical of football media.

In this digital, ifollow age we do tend to see replays of big decisions at the end of a match, so again it can brought up as a talking point with the benefit of having reviewed it. A good example was the Bristol Rovers home game in September, which I co-commentated on. At full time someone sent us a video of the Rovers player handling it on the goal line, so it was something we then talked about on air. But even on that day we only talked about it for a few minutes. I think I used most of the post-match discussion to rant about Edin ;-)

 

I believe the old classic Mercedes @Fordy117 drives doesn't have a radio.

 

I think goal line technology is about the best we can hope for, or how about the 4th official sat up in the stands where he would have a better view than at pitchside and be in communication with the ref....

 

All football fans are biased as hell. We see all our games through a claret and amber lens and judge every incident on that basis. It's part of being a passionate supporter of your team.
If one of our players goes down injured we all howl at the injustice and call for the culprit to be carded. But when it's the other way round we're chanting 'you soft bastard' and swear he's playacting.

If we think the ref has had a good game you can almost guarantee that opposition fans will think he's had a stinker. And vice versa.

There are numerous games in which both sets of fans are equally convinced that all the key decisions went against their team.

For every penalty we haven't been given there'll be another that oppo fans were convinced should have been awarded against us.

This is football, and the subjectivity is actually part of what makes it fun. I reserve the right to shout 'you don't know what you're doing' with the rest of them. But do I want games being held up several times to check decisions on video? No I bloody well do not. Refereeing is a really difficult job. Cut 'em some slack FFS.