Quantcast
  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice

Israel

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Idlebantam, Oct 8, 2023.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 10

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    6,927
    Likes Received:
    9,137
    No limit, what they did was unforgivable.

    The fact that they are muslim is their problem, bad is bad whatever the religion ...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  2. Offcomedun

    P.L. 23/24 Top 10 P.L.23/24 Entrant Qatar 2022 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,292
    Likes Received:
    11,137
    No one is disputing that what Hamas did was unforgivable, or that bad is bad whatever the religion.
    But all the innocent civilians who are being killed, who have no connection to Hamas, are just fair game and expendable, are they? Even though there is zero chance of Israel destroying Hamas.
     
  3. Idlebantam

    P.L.23/24 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 10

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9,861
    Likes Received:
    21,715
    I would say the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas, before and after October 7th.

    How many thousands of innocent people did British and allied forces kill in the carpet bombing of Dresden.

    All wars are terrible things to have to endure, sadly many innocent people become victims in any conflict.

    I still support Israel and to suggest people who do support Israel are racist toward Muslims is not right.
     
    Bronco and Chris Redfield like this.
  4. Rogered Tart

    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,451
    Likes Received:
    41,410
    Noticed the protesters on Ingleby road disappeared when the rains came. I guess not getting wet was more important to them...
     
    Faithful Bantam likes this.
  5. Rogered Tart

    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,451
    Likes Received:
    41,410
    They wouldn't be involved if they weren't Muslim. This is in effect Jews v Muslims.
     
  6. Bronco

    P.L. 23/24 Top 20 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,598
    Likes Received:
    41,795
    It's not a matter of supporting anyone once this atrocity happened in October you didn't need to be an expert in warfare to see the possible out come, going into and attacking Israelis on their own land was hardly a good move, but to make it worse as has been pointed out they did it when Netanyahu an ultra right wing politician was in power.
    I'd suggest Hamas knew exactly what they were doing and the potential response from Israel, I posted when this conflict started the Palestinian death toll would be 10 times that of Israelis, that has long since passed, and wont stop no matter how the world protests until Hamas have been driven out, goodness knows where it goes from there, another headache for the middle east.
    You ask is there no limit, there is only person who can answer that and it's Netanyahu, you know your history with regards Hamburg, Dresden blowing up the dams that cause catastrophic flooding further down the Ruhr Valley the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima had to be done to try and turn WW2 around in the allies favour, the blitz that London took to demoralise the British people.
    Why do people think we've moved on with regards the horrors of war, but to answer your loaded question maybe when Muslims were butchering fellow Muslim Syria, Iraq. Yemen, ISIS and the rest, potentially in Iran if the news paper are to be believed we didn't see protests on the street that were seeing now.



    https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/israel.7548/page-3#post-799433
     
    Idlebantam and Tony Wilkinson like this.
  7. Bronco

    P.L. 23/24 Top 20 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,598
    Likes Received:
    41,795
    You have only to look at the threat from the Houthis backed by Iran with regards Israel killing their fellow Muslims yet they are killing their fellow Muslims by trying to take the Yemen, just a bit of hypocrisy wouldn't you say, Saudi-led coalition backing Yemen's government don't seem to have a problem killing fellow Muslims.
     
    #507 Bronco, Apr 7, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2024
  8. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    11,218
    Likes Received:
    28,917
    The whole thing is horrendous. It's not a binary problem to solve. Civilians die in warfare, sadly, and this latest phase of the conflict was prompted by Hamas atrocities in October. They have considerable blood on their hands, and they were voted to power by the people of Gaza - which isnt to say their populace deserves the humanitarian crisis its now in. If there is one People, who you could say are justified in taking literally threats of extermination, its Jews.

    I have no idea what the solution is.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    Idlebantam likes this.
  9. Rogered Tart

    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,451
    Likes Received:
    41,410
    There ain't one. The folk at war here don't want a solution. Each sides only purpose is to wipe out the other one The middle east has tried to wipe out Israel for decades and failed. The conflict in Gaza now is just a small piece of the global war that is unravelling. A huge pushback against Israel's paymaster in the US and elsewhere in the world. The big players around the globe are catching up with them.
     
    Faithful Bantam likes this.
  10. Offcomedun

    P.L. 23/24 Top 10 P.L.23/24 Entrant Qatar 2022 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,292
    Likes Received:
    11,137
    Absolutely. Hamas don’t give a shit how many Gazans die as a result of their warped ideology. Hamas set a trap and Israel has walked right into it. Netanyahu fecked up big time by moving most of the IDF north, to support illegal Jewish West Bank colonisers, and taking his eye off the threat from Hamas. He’s trying to make up for it now but it won’t work. All he’ll do is kill many thousands of Gazans, but the Hamas leadership is safely holed up elsewhere and will come back again. All he’s doing is making Israel a pariah in the eyes of most of the world. As this article (written by a Jewish journalist) makes clear:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/05/six-months-war-gaza-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-palestinians-hamas?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
     
    bantamdave41 likes this.
  11. Bronco

    P.L. 23/24 Top 20 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,598
    Likes Received:
    41,795
    Let's hope when it does come to an end a two state is the outcome, and the Palestinians get the chance to get rid of Hamas it will be a very bitter pill to swallow for the Palestinians be if they continue to allow Hamas and their representatives as you say nowhere to be seen to represent them this situation will happen again.
    I disagree most people realise Israel couldn't continue by just slapping Hama's wrist, they had to show this was a step to far, as with the Ukraine/Russia conflict it's lucky to make the news now a day's, let's hope it gets the Iranians people to get the people who are presently in power out, it won't be easy but many saw during the Shah time (maybe as a puppet of the west) they had a far better life style especially for women who are without doubt second class citizens under the present regime.
     
  12. trevor

    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,863
    Likes Received:
    7,680
    A two state solution will never work it will never be, A dreamers vision that will not appear without drastic changes to the whole middle east
     
    Bronco likes this.
  13. NorthernMonkey

    P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    10,065
    Likes Received:
    19,947
    It might work if Israel respects the borders that it's given.
     
    Offcomedun likes this.
  14. Bronco

    P.L. 23/24 Top 20 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,598
    Likes Received:
    41,795
    It will be difficult especially if Hamas are still
    in government within Gaza, and IMO that will not change.
     
  15. Storck

    Storck Regular Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,597
    Likes Received:
    29,423
    And if everyone else respects the borders. No matter where they are drawn people are not going to be happy. Just look at the border between India and Pakistan, still disputes and that is almost 80 years
     
  16. NorthernMonkey

    P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    10,065
    Likes Received:
    19,947
    That's also true.
     
  17. Offcomedun

    P.L. 23/24 Top 10 P.L.23/24 Entrant Qatar 2022 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2018
    Messages:
    7,292
    Likes Received:
    11,137
  18. Storck

    Storck Regular Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,597
    Likes Received:
    29,423
    And yet he seems to keep coming back to power
     
    Bronco likes this.
  19. Idlebantam

    P.L.23/24 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 10

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9,861
    Likes Received:
    21,715
    I had the misfortune to drive in the Ingleby Road area last week for the first time for many years, my god its the pits isn't it? like a different world altogether to driving and walking around my usual haunts in Idle, Apperley Bridge, Yeadon and Guiseley.
     
  20. bailiff bridge bantam

    Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    24,430
    Likes Received:
    34,600
    Drive down Gt Horton Road from the Cross lane junction towards the University.

    An absolute cesspit.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice