Israel

No limit, what they did was unforgivable.

The fact that they are muslim is their problem, bad is bad whatever the religion ...

 

No one is disputing that what Hamas did was unforgivable, or that bad is bad whatever the religion.
But all the innocent civilians who are being killed, who have no connection to Hamas, are just fair game and expendable, are they? Even though there is zero chance of Israel destroying Hamas.

 

Noticed the protesters on Ingleby road disappeared when the rains came. I guess not getting wet was more important to them...

 

They wouldn't be involved if they weren't Muslim. This is in effect Jews v Muslims.

 

It's not a matter of supporting anyone once this atrocity happened in October you didn't need to be an expert in warfare to see the possible out come, going into and attacking Israelis on their own land was hardly a good move, but to make it worse as has been pointed out they did it when Netanyahu an ultra right wing politician was in power.
I'd suggest Hamas knew exactly what they were doing and the potential response from Israel, I posted when this conflict started the Palestinian death toll would be 10 times that of Israelis, that has long since passed, and wont stop no matter how the world protests until Hamas have been driven out, goodness knows where it goes from there, another headache for the middle east.
You ask is there no limit, there is only person who can answer that and it's Netanyahu, you know your history with regards Hamburg, Dresden blowing up the dams that cause catastrophic flooding further down the Ruhr Valley the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima had to be done to try and turn WW2 around in the allies favour, the blitz that London took to demoralise the British people.
Why do people think we've moved on with regards the horrors of war, but to answer your loaded question maybe when Muslims were butchering fellow Muslim Syria, Iraq. Yemen, ISIS and the rest, potentially in Iran if the news paper are to be believed we didn't see protests on the street that were seeing now.



https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/israel.7548/page-3#post-799433

 

You have only to look at the threat from the Houthis backed by Iran with regards Israel killing their fellow Muslims yet they are killing their fellow Muslims by trying to take the Yemen, just a bit of hypocrisy wouldn't you say, Saudi-led coalition backing Yemen's government don't seem to have a problem killing fellow Muslims.

 

The whole thing is horrendous. It's not a binary problem to solve. Civilians die in warfare, sadly, and this latest phase of the conflict was prompted by Hamas atrocities in October. They have considerable blood on their hands, and they were voted to power by the people of Gaza - which isnt to say their populace deserves the humanitarian crisis its now in. If there is one People, who you could say are justified in taking literally threats of extermination, its Jews.

I have no idea what the solution is.

 

There ain't one. The folk at war here don't want a solution. Each sides only purpose is to wipe out the other one The middle east has tried to wipe out Israel for decades and failed. The conflict in Gaza now is just a small piece of the global war that is unravelling. A huge pushback against Israel's paymaster in the US and elsewhere in the world. The big players around the globe are catching up with them.

 

Absolutely. Hamas don’t give a shit how many Gazans die as a result of their warped ideology. Hamas set a trap and Israel has walked right into it. Netanyahu fecked up big time by moving most of the IDF north, to support illegal Jewish West Bank colonisers, and taking his eye off the threat from Hamas. He’s trying to make up for it now but it won’t work. All he’ll do is kill many thousands of Gazans, but the Hamas leadership is safely holed up elsewhere and will come back again. All he’s doing is making Israel a pariah in the eyes of most of the world. As this article (written by a Jewish journalist) makes clear:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/05/six-months-war-gaza-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-palestinians-hamas?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Let's hope when it does come to an end a two state is the outcome, and the Palestinians get the chance to get rid of Hamas it will be a very bitter pill to swallow for the Palestinians be if they continue to allow Hamas and their representatives as you say nowhere to be seen to represent them this situation will happen again.
I disagree most people realise Israel couldn't continue by just slapping Hama's wrist, they had to show this was a step to far, as with the Ukraine/Russia conflict it's lucky to make the news now a day's, let's hope it gets the Iranians people to get the people who are presently in power out, it won't be easy but many saw during the Shah time (maybe as a puppet of the west) they had a far better life style especially for women who are without doubt second class citizens under the present regime.

 

A two state solution will never work it will never be, A dreamers vision that will not appear without drastic changes to the whole middle east

 

It might work if Israel respects the borders that it's given.

 

It will be difficult especially if Hamas are still
in government within Gaza, and IMO that will not change.

 

And if everyone else respects the borders. No matter where they are drawn people are not going to be happy. Just look at the border between India and Pakistan, still disputes and that is almost 80 years

 

That's also true.

 

Alternative view from a member of the Israeli parliament.
Netanyahu is a deeply unpopular would-be dictator in league with extremist minority parties whose views are as genocidal as those of Hamas. His brutal approach to Gaza is not shared by the majority of Israeli citizens and will never succeed in eliminating Hamas, as he knows only too well.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/13/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-peace?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

And yet he seems to keep coming back to power

 

Drive down Gt Horton Road from the Cross lane junction towards the University.

An absolute cesspit.