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ISIS Girl

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. Bronco

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    https://www-mirror-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-girl-who-joined-isis-13997680.amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Flondon-girl-who-joined-isis-13997680
    Should we allow this piece of crap back into the country, she says she saw beheaded heads in bins and "she wasn't fazed".
    Apparently she will be allowed back she is pregnant and will have to face terrorist charges and serve a prison sentance.
    Is this country right in it's head, she went of her own free will to help ISIS. in my opion once she did that her British Citizenenship should have ended.
     
  2. bantam65

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    Let her bloody well rot. She's made her bed ... she can chuffin lie in it. No doubt though the bleeding heart liberals will be pleading the case for her to be allowed to return.
    Air strike called for methinks .
     
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  4. NorthernMonkey

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    I say let her back in ....


    Then hang the arsehole for treason.
     
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  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    It will cost millions to keep tabs on her and her soon to be new born bastard whereas a piece of rope would cost the taxpayer around a fiver....
     
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    I dont get why she even asked or went public about. Why didnt she just stay quiet and slip in the backdoor unnoticed like thousands of the buggars fo every year anyway
     
  7. bantam65

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    It is a very sad situation.

    She was, along with the other two, a fifteen year old girl when she left this country for ISIS. Whilst there is the argument for personal responsibility, and that exists in law, we also have laws to protect children.

    We should remember all three were children at the time of their leaving. We have laws to protect children because they can be coerced and exploited. The woman is now 19 and has her third child according to reports, it doesn't take a genius to work out she was was likely underage when her first child was conceived.

    I've no sympathy with ISIS, they are abhorrent. I also find it hard to understand how anyone could want to associate with them. However, I would argue a strong case for the girls effectively being groomed and I wish they could have been protected from those people who enticed them to go.

    Should she return to the country? I would say that is very difficult.

    I am sure I will get slated for my opinion, but as I find ISIS abhorrent, so do I also find the calls for her death above. Putting a woman to death because they have a different belief, particularly in view of her age at the time she went, seems more akin to the ISIS world-view then that of a civilized society.
     
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  9. Steve1970

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    She made up her mind to go support isis in their campaign now she wants to come back to Britain so she can give birth as she has lost her last 2 pregnancies because we have the health service she needs and it's all FREE. The government should turn round and say not a chance if her family are so concerned about her let them go join her but let it be known they won't be allowed back in the country.
     
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    I agree I think the goverment should send a clear message out to anyone who does the same as she and her sisters have done, I can't understand how three sisters can get tickets to fly to Turkey (at least one under age) without a question being asked.
    But what I do find abhorrent is the comment she made about decapitated heads she saw in bins, and the fact that she feels she did nothing wrong.
     
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  11. Steve1970

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    The old excuse will be I was radicalised by isis so thought nothing about the things I saw over there but the question that should be asked is how do we know your still not radicalised and are a threat to the law abiding citizens of this country.
     
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    Doesn't come across as genuinely sad/sorrow as to what has happened out there in isis land;

    Do not bring her back for freebies, made your bed now lie in it, you chose to be a child bride for isis,

    Not likely to get work here from an employer and no doubt her family will ask to the state to provide for her and her child,

    Look after our own, non isis supporting citizens/subjects first
     
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  13. Utters0

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    It’s sad for her kid but she made a decision at 15, which may have been too young to make that decision responsibly to join those bastards. She is now 19, old enough to make decisions responsibly and she still sees nothing wrong with what she did, isn’t bothered seeing severed heads because they were of non believers.

    Her beliefs are not compatible with those of this country, she does not belong here and poses a serious security risk to us if she is here. No way should she be allowed back.
     
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    It’s a straw man.

    Creating an argument in your own head then getting angry about it.

    For what it’s worth, I’m not too bothered what happens to her if told, but I see the argument @Hulmebantam@Hulmebantam raised about grooming, and it’s a valid. But I certainly wouldn’t be comfortable with killing children, born or unborn, it makes us as bad as them.
     
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    They hate what this country stands for yet beg to come back. I guess its hard to bring kids up on non existent Syrian benefits.
     
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  16. Dennis

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    It's a very difficult situation for our country to deal with. I'm sure there'll be voices in the Govt who just want to kick the issue into the long grass and hope it remains there. But it won't of course.

    I'd like to see her left to her own devices in the Syrian refugee camp for the time being until it suits the country to repatriate her. And then to return her to the UK to face our justice and not the kind of justice dished out summarily by Isis and their type. That will send a clear message to anybody else thinking along similar lines that if you aren't killed in the caliphate, you'll face justice here with the likelihood of a very long gaol term in a maximum security prison. That would send a strong message to anybody thinking along similar lines. They won't become martyrs; they'll become prisoners in the UK.

    Perhaps more importantly, it would also have the added benefit of providing our own security and police services with access to Ms Begum.

    Three 15 year old girls from London didn't find their own way to Turkey and then across a heavily armed border into Syria and then to the Isis controlled area without firstly being groomed and secondly. without the support of somebody or more like a group of somebodies to get themselves there. Who are these people operating in our country against the best interests of the rest of us? Let's at least give the security services an opportunity to find out rather than just ignoring the existence of these mysterious people in the background who could well do something similar or worse again. If our security services don't get an opportunity to question her, we'll never know how she was helped or by whom.
     
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    I have to agree with pretty much all Hulme said above. Particularly the final paragraph.

    I do have some sympathy given her age when she left and the high possibility she was co-erced/radicalised. Also i have sympathy for that poor child she is going to have. However, given the apparent lack of empathy or regret/remorse shown in that ‘interview’ I have a hard time finding a reason to accept her back. Sadly, there will be many other women in a similar position to her, that are no longer here having not been under the banner of ISIS, same as there will be people who would in my eyes have much stronger cases to be taken in well before her, despite her being a British Citizen.
     
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    One of the problems if we don't let her back in is it will actually play into ISIS hands when it comes to recruitment. What ISIS seems to have been able to turn into an art form is identifying people who might feel marginalised and then using that way in piece by piece radicalise them until they reach a point where they will do what these girls did or where they will become suicide attackers.

    The last thing we want is for the situation to end up as such that she gets used as an example of how this country wants to 'destroy' Islam as a way of recruiting more vulnerable people. At the same time you don't want it to be seen as 'Go have an adventure fighting for ISIS and you can come back to your normal life at any time and the country will let you in with no consequences'

    There is a fine line that needs to be walked and I don't envy those who have to make a decision as its almost lose-lose
     
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    Nail on head
     
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    She should be interviewed by our security officials where she currently is in the refugee camp, Should she cooperate fully and give all her information up then she should be allowed to come back to the UK the child when born taken in to care and sent for adoption and she should be prosecuted for giving comfort and succour to an enemy of the state
     

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