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Get out of this club

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Aug 19, 2023.

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  1. Bronco

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    I'm not sure at league two level a Director of Football is a must, here's an article showing which clubs have one or an equivalent. surprisingly once you drop down to the Championship how many clubs don't employ one, I would assume even less in Leagues One and Two.


    https://trainingground.guru/articles/mike-gilham-director-of-football-in-the-eighth-tier
     
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    All well and good Dave would wager they have experienced men overlooking things tho
    Who at our club has an "in depth" knowledge/experience in the game/management, please don't point to MH !!!
    Director of football is merely a title pick your own
    Before we can progress we need a "Football" man who dictates everything team related dictate the way we play and how a new manager should manage (form a blueprint) something we are sadly lacking hence the number of unsuccessful managers trying to implement there own style needing consistency is a phrase often used on here
    We wont be lucky enough to appoint another "Parky"
     
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  3. Bronco

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    We'll have to disagree mate, in your post above you quoted "At the moment MH or any future manager has no one to answer to no one to "suggest"to him what's going wrong we are currently pinning all our faith on a man who I imagine has made a good living from football fulfilling his spare time by being our manager" do we really need someone to tell him things aren't going well, there are 17.000 of us prepared to do that for free on a Saturday.
    Last season we were so near achieving what Hughes was brought in to do, what could a DOF have done to make sure we went that extra yard and achieved promotion.
    We were level after 106 minutes of the game Hughes made a change that many disagreed with but even with a DOF he would have made the same call.
    I'm not sure what a DOF would have done with regards the way Hughes has gone about the new season playing this new system/formation he couldn't demand Hughes continued as he did last season, otherwise he'd just be a puppet for the DOF and I can't see Mark Hughes working under that sort of regime.
     
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    All about opinions Dave
    Don't think he's listening to the 17000 every other Saturday tho ;);)
     
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    I think Ryan Sparks might be though, I'm not a lover of fans driving a manager out we've seen some toxic times with regards managers in the past it ain't pretty, early days mate I'm not calling for his head yet but we have to be up there again this season no excuses, and there not just my words Hughes said "We are a different club now and we can use this disappointment next season. We came up short this season but next year we won't."
     
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    I bet Rupp didn’t charge the club 9.5% annual interest unlike one of the previous owners.
     
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    If you lend someone money and they are prepared to give you 9.5% annual interest you'd say nah I don't need it, there was a big risk to Mark lending the club money and it was Julian who was happy to take it at 9.5%, interest, as I very much doubt and finacial institutions would lend the club that sort of money at 9.5% with our track record, or do you know different ?
     
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    It doesn't look as though any of the loan has been repaid. The loan of £1.7m, assumed to be from Rupp, remained outstanding the last time the accounts were published for the period up to June 22.
     
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    He could have taken interest at the Bank of England inflation rate which was fairly low then, nowhere near 9.5%. That would have meant he would have got his loan returned and enhanced to the current worth of the initial loan. Yes he took a risk, but it certainly wasn’t charitable, nowhere near.
     
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    Maybe you should campaign for all those payday lenders to only charge the base rate of interest?
    They lend to desperate people when the banks won’t, where the risk of never getting your money back is high.
    The same can be said of Bradford City at the time otherwise the club wouldn’t have had the need to use a loan shark like Mark Lawn would they.
     
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    I thought he did but it wasn’t exactly an investment but a maintenance top up.
     
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    One of my real concerns is this, we are in an ever closing door of opportunity and becoming a permanent fixture in lg2 or worse. Other clubs from the NL are coming up and spending big bucks and expect to be promoted. You only have to look at this year for example. This is where our model of financial sustainability cannot compete. No club can compete with us on fans and stadium, but they can financially. So instead of us buying players to succeed we end up treading water and eventually our model of sustainability is being eroded.

    I have no real basis for thinking this but 5 years in lg2 and several managers later we are still here. If we don’t go up this season then we most definitely need a different plan.
     
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    I'm not sure what the interest rate were at that time but they started to drop dramatically after the subprime fiasco, but I stand by my comment Rod I very much doubt the club with our record would not have got a deal with a financial institution at that rate.
     
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    Especially at the time he lent it, when no bank in their right mind would have touched us.
     
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    A club going into admin twice within months hardly a good candidate for lending money to.
     
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    And yet some folk on here want to slag off a man who stumped up his personal fortune to help the club with no guarantee of getting it back and then begrudge him getting a decent return on that risk.
    This is the same people who have a gripe against the 25 year ST holders who also stumped up a large amount of cash to help the club.
     
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    An owner isn’t helping the club when he lends money, he’s lending his own business. It is within their own interests let’s not pretend it is done as some charitable gesture. Lawn did it to add value to his asset and sold it for a tidy profit no doubt. Rupp did it because he’d have lost his investment if he’d not of kept the club afloat during Covid. Maybe when they ‘lend’ this money it’s with a good heart, but let’s be honest no good businessman just gives money away out of his personal feelings.
     
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    So good businessmen know how to make money then and it’s pure jealousy when folk begrudge a return on investments?
     
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    Unless they want to launder money or Sports Wash Arab oil monies. Some Prem clubs have survived on it.
     
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    Or people who believe that they have a divine right to demand an owner puts in his own funds to advance their club. As I've said numerous times, there should be no expectation that Rupp puts his own money in to advance us up the league, unless he is speculating on getting more back in the future.

    It's time every football club was made to live within it's means and those that have rich benefactors should be made to prove they can pay it back.
     
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