George Floyd copper

I'm talking about 2020 Britain.

 

Britain still has a serious issue with racism and inequality!

Think if you're not understanding it then you seriously need to educate yourself on the subject.

What is concerning in this thread are people trying to stick to their point like we are talking about football. This explains why people don't learn! I just switched on Sky Sports and even they were saying it's an issue in this country.

Open your mind!

 

BLM refer to 1960’s - the past is relevant to the present and future.

 

Strange that if the UK and USA are so bad to live in why we have to fight people off who want to come and live here with years of mass immigration

 

Reminds me of the celebs who stated they were leaving if the country voted for Brexit. I do hope they had a safe journey.

 

Yes it is, in terms of context. But then, show me a country without an element of show in its history. And if the negatives of the past are relevant, so are the positives - take slavery. It’s existed for centuries across all races and cultures, including within black culture. It’s not the sole purview of white people. And it was abolished in the US, overwhelmingly by the movements of white men and women.

Are we saying that part of the outrage today is the historic use of slavery in the US over 200 years ago? Or even British colonialism, which has also been eradicated. And without defending in any way that part of our history, there IS a reasonable discussion that might suggest that colonised African countries actually fared better under British rule - more wealth, more order and a reduction in the tribal slavery that existed pre-colonisation. Given that the historic, systematic enslavement of black people in the US (and has NEVER been a factor in this country) was ended decades, even centuries ago then what’s the solution to it? It kind of emphasises my point - its not about equality, because we generally have it. It’s about victimisation, blame, ‘revenge’. Not only have we abolished slavery in this country, we have Anti-Slavery laws. The idea of systemic, institutionalised racism in this country isn’t born out by any laws, or data. Peddling the idea is a dangerous thing. And in fact its the opposite - we have systemic, institutionalised equality, permeated by occasions of prejudice by ignorant people - which will never change and isn’t the biggest issue confronting the black community.

 

I’ve already asked you politely Fordy, please do not engage me on this subject. I’m happy to contend with you bizarre and ill thought through posts on any other thread, but not this one. I’ll ask one more time, and meaning no offence, please don’t engage with me on this topic. I won’t be replying.

 

Think it's acceptable to call you out on this subject because when I am reading your posts I am not reading a person that is understanding the matters but just trying to defend. Everyone needs to understanding on this subject so things get better.

200 years people have been fighting for this.

4/1000 white people got stopped and searched last year compared to 38/1000 in black people. Only 1.2% are black people in the police. They're no black people in cabinet

I suggest you educate yourself and see what role you can play to change this because I think your views are outdated. I am calling you out on the subject because I am a little disappointed in your responses to it mate. Listen isn't of trying to defend you point all the time and you might learn.

So, please please listen to what the black people are saying and what leading organisations are saying...PROBLEMS WITH RACISM AND INEQUITY ARE STILL IN BRITAIN!! We all need to understand this and wake up to that to help!

Have a good day.

 

Fordy, if you’re going to try and ‘call someone out’ and make cheap shots about ‘learning’, you might want to do your prep a little better. There ARE BAME members of cabinet. You might want to have a read of this article which talks about ‘Britain’s most ethnically diverse cabinet ever’. Assembled by the leader you can’t wait to take a shot at.

https://diversityuk.org/britains-most-ethnically-diverse-cabinet-ever/

The make up of the police is broadly 93% white, compared to 86% of the populations demographic. Which is over subscribed, but not hugely. And the % of BAME representatives is increasing year on year. The following article sets out the approach being taken to improve diversity, which wouldn’t be happening in a systemically racist organisation. Given the over representation of Crime from BAME communities - which is driven by poverty more than anything else - Perhaps the Police hasn’t historically been seen as a preferred career path. Not helped by the myth of institutional racism.

https://www.policenow.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Police-Now-Impact-Report.pdf

For it to be a representation of prejudice, you’d have to show prejudice in the number of applications submitted and accepted by race. Can you?The governments data below, shows the year on year progress in the proportion of BAME officers at all ranks.
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest


This is a breakdown of stop and searches by race across England and Wales. when adjusted for the % of crime committed by racial demographic, there’s no signs of prejudice whatsoever. It’s almost exactly as you’d expect. It refutes the numbers you’ve suggested.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/284677/police-stop-and-searches-in-england-and-wales-by-ethnicity/

This article looks at the deaths in police custody over the last 10 years and finds that ‘there’s been a 25% greater likelihood of death if you’re white than black’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52890363


‘Stop Police Brutality’. We don’t have a problem with it in this country. Only 4 countries in the world have a lower death rate at the hands of the police. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

The highest paid actor in the world last year is black. 4 of the 10 highest paid athletes in the world last year are black.

You’re peddling myths that aren’t born out by fact.

Of the last England squad of 27, 13 were BAME. That’s almost half and an over representation of the BAME population.

Where’s the oppression? Selective choosing of under representation with incorrect data and absent context, and neglecting to look at areas where BAME people are thriving.

Keep calling me out Fordy. I’m eager to learn, but I don’t think you’ll ever have anything to teach me. If you want to call any of my views outdated, reference the specific view, use a degree of accurate fact to make your point, don’t misrepresent or twist my comments and avoid attempting to make cheap shots as they undermine any argument you may have. Otherwise - politely - don’t engage me.

 

I think you've just been owned @Fordy117, 1 -0 to @Faithful Bantam.

 

You have not been keeping up Bronco, it must be 2-0 by now as the wearing of face masks means the likes of you and @Park bantam can go outside and even to footy matches eventually.
Why?

Well, is this country using any form of ID and you know at our club they were not even scanning the bar codes on the season ticket.
Fordy's cunning age bar plan has failed.

 

The oppressed people in the UK have and always will be the poorest people. Any immigrants who come here join the ranks of the poor. The poor are separated and divided and live in their own communities backbiting at each other rather than their common enemy.

 

Nail on the head. And its the same in every country, for every race.

My grandparents were immigrants to this country and it's taken 3 generations of hard work and sacrifice to get into anything you'd call middle class.

 

Not read @Faithful Bantam post as yet. I am busy but only you will a deep subject like this as a point scoring exercise.

I admire @Faithful Bantam are a poster but as I say this really isn't a subject for people to think that they are right when they are not black. I just think he needs to drop the cocky I am right attitude and learn about a subject he knows nothing about. Sometimes his posts is I am ok, it's all me me and bloody me!

It's time to be open minded, listen and learn!

 

200 years? What an earth are you talking about? The human race has sufferd oppression in one way or another since the dawn of mankind. Black people are not the only people to suffer from opression, indeed the murder of George Floyd cannot be attributed to exclusively the colour of his skin, but then that dosn't fit the narrative of black lives matter. There is racism within society, this country is no exception although its nowhere near the problem that some make out. As i said before there is debate to be had with this subject but the open meaning of the word racism and the use of it makes debating the subject very difficult.

 

An example. In Bradford now the worst oppressed people are from the likes of Kashmir, Africa and Eastern Europe, most of these don't even come under the banner of black lives matter. Doesn't get the social media likes and retweets though standing up for those poor feckers.

 

I’d say 3 generations isn’t too bad a turn round. 1st one arrives here and has second generation who go through the education system here and have third one who is now starting higher up the ladder

 

I haven't put my thoughts on here because I think both you and @Rogered Tart have put my thoughts better than I ever could myself. Scary times....

 

Can you explain what that means, and with regards racism that can only be commented upon if you're black, yet you are more than happy to quote your views on the subject.