Eoin Doyle

I don't recall anyone saying that Doyle's goal return last season made him the epitome of a goalscoring forward. The argument always has been that his output was decent in a team that was comfortably the worst in the division.

To compare that with James Vaughan when he's playing his trade in a lower division in a squad that many feel is amongst the best in the league makes it a pointless comparison.

 

A goal tally is a goal tally regardless.

Let's be even-handed about this.

Nobody analyses the quality of a team when discussing top forwards.

 

But Rupp is a businessman too. He must also know the value of a business with no assets. He will know he isn't going to get his money back and I'm sure would consider any reasonable offer. I just don't see anyone coming in with the money or the inclination to invest heavily in the infrastructure as you suggest

 

Very few if anyone thought that Doyle's goal return last season made him a goalscorer so to ask why Vaughan who's going to overtake Doyle's tally isn't a goalscorer too is a bit daft as one half of your comparison relies on a consensus that doesn't even exist.

The only argument I've seen for Doyle is that his 11 goal output was good in the circumstances. It doesn't mean that he was dynamite in front of goal, it just puts his relatively average goal return into perspective. Vaughan on the hand has had it easier, so we can realistically expect him to score a few more.

 

The club does have assets though. It has a place in the football league. It has images rights, and the name Bradford City. you should see how much starbucks based in Luxembourg charges it UK businesses to have the name Starbuck (albeit for tax reasons). Ok we have limited physical assets but doesn't mean we don't have nothing

 

Easier in what sense? I don't recall him missing many sitters?

 

I'm kinda in 'the halfway house' on this particular debate, Dave. For many, last season saw SO MUCH frustration from the Terraces, purely because Doyle won so little, and likewise scored few goals. Had Doyle scored more (from open play), and also won enough challenges to bring others into play, then this scenario might had been discussed differently. As things stand, he's turning it on for Swindon, and we are saving more than a few quid, for their privilege. Who knows what the solution is - January, and where both City and Swindon lie at that time will answer much of that.

 

As I understand it Rupp wants his initial investment plus a bit extra from any purchaser. However those who have been interested are not prepared to offer this amount. So there is deadlock.

 

You do realise that owning a football club is a losss maker unless you own an elite club.

The reason people own clubs is to increase their portfolio and to use the clubs name when doing deals.

Now serious owners buy assets to protect and increase the value of the club. We haven't had a owner for years that's done that and if our current owner can't or doesn't want to put his hand in his pocket for the best of the club and do risk v reward in this weak league then this club long term then we're in trouble.

 

My reply was more with reference to good support from his fellow team mates a striker will score more goals than a team producing little as we saw with regards Bradford City last season.
Another example is O'Donnell virtually a different keeper to what he was last season.

 

I cant' see how he can hold out for "a bit extra" as his initial purchase was a competent League One club very near to being a Championship side under both Phil Parkinson & Stuart McCall whereas the present club is a top seven club hopefully achieving promotion to League One.

 

Yes I get your point. I was just replying to Fordy's argument. I actually think we could be in far worse hands than Rupps. I know he isn't the lifelong fan billionaire owner every club wants, but I'm not sure we have one of those in Bradford. Just my opinion, but i feel Rupp is at least relatively trustworthy

 

Yeah sorry. I meant to reply to Fordy and you took the brunt of it. oops

 

Sure he is but Edin did him and he's not into football so you having to question why us and if it's to make money then he will be disappointed unless he takes more risks and we get out of div 2.

A good owner invests in assets to protect.

 

I think Vaughan has to accept some accountability for that. I was looking at some stats earlier and thought the comparison between Doyle and Yates was an interesting one. Both have played a similar amount of minutes, both play up front as part of a front 2 and both will for the most part be subject to the same level of service and yet the difference in the total number of shots they've had at goal was staggering. It's a similar situation here. You say Vaughan hasn't missed many chances and yet Donaldson on numerous occasions has found himself free 3 yards in front of goal with an opportunity to put the ball in the back of the net. The difference here are strikers with movement, anticipation and instincts and someone in Vaughans case who often plays with his back turned to goal and finds himself in no mans land. We can't talk about how we are free scoring all across the pitch and then make out that our main striker who plays 10 yards from goal has an impossible job. He can and should do more imo.

How is it easier for him? He's playing in a better team in an easier division. The scope for him to score more is there and I'd expect him to do so, it doesn't necessarily make him a better striker.

Nit really sure how I've found myself discussing the attributes of Vaughan anyway. My main point was more the idea that Doyle was lauded as some sort of goalscorer on here which means that Vaughan must be one too. That's ridiculous.

 

Ryan sparks on radio leeds just now saying Bowyer may want doyle back in January and we could be in a position to fund it. It was a pretty diplomatic answer to the question but it certainly sounded like something they're looking at.

 

Let's be honest baring a one season wonder at Chesterfield only Richie Wellens has ever got a tune out of Doyle (Oldham) and now Swindon everywhere else and every other manager has struggled to get it to work for him.

 

OR; Could it be brinkmanship saying to Swindon, "if you really want him, you have to buy him"?

 

It makes sense.

 

That was answered in the DVD they put out.