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England - Jesse Lingard

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Sergio Pinto III, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. Sergio Pinto III

    Sergio Pinto III Well-Known Member

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    How the hell does this dabber get into the England squad?

    Does South gate actually watch him play? He was abysmal vs Palace. Heard he had not scored or assisted this year. Wouldn't surprise and that is atrocious for a forward.
     
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    It's been 3 games?
     
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    Year. Not season.
     
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    You wrong then.
     
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    Im not wrong, I said I heard.

    Just pulled up his stats, 1 PL assist in 2019, that's YEAR, not SEASON BTW.

    Pathetic.
     
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    I feel a lot of people actually don’t really watch Lingard close enough when they are critical of him. Yes he hasn’t directly contributed a goal or assist for United for a long time but that doesn’t mean he isn’t contributing. He is a player who allows the more creative players to contribute. He is constantly making runs into positions that draw defenders to him and creates space for other players to attack. And when a player does leave his position or the ball turns over he is always willing to fill that space and track back. He is basically does the job Ji Sung Park used to do for United in that he is the high energy, unselfish player who allows others to perform

    Also the assist stat is also somewhat misleading, he may not get the assist stat but he is also often the player who assists the player who provides the assist for the goal scorer
     
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    His job as a forward is to contribute more than that. If he had those stats and put in those pathetic performances for Burnley, Watford, Southampton he wouldn't be anywhere near the squad.

    Id honesty select Bowen at Hull over him.
     
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    You said 0 goals or assists. He's both scored and assisted in the calendar year so yes, you heard wrong.
     
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    You were probably also one of the people wanting to take Sessegnon to the world cup because he did well in the championship.

    The mind absolutely boggles.
     
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    Why is his job more than that? Because you and a bunch of football fans say it is? His job is whatever his manager asks from him and multiple managers keep selecting him and asking him to provide just those very things. Every team needs a selfless workhorse of a player and with football being a team sport they make the team better without doing eye-catching things. United look way more dynamic with him in the team than say Mata or moving Pogba into that position because his movement opens up space
     
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    I heard wrong but I wasn't wrong. Next time you need to read my posts properly too and understand the difference between a year and a season.
     
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    Can you justify Lingards inclusion?

    You seem to think 1 goal and 1 assist is acceptable for a forward in 9 months.
     
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    Man Utd are pretty terrible and Lingard is a part of those problems. It is bluffers like him and others for why they are no longer a contender.

    I think the general consensus amongst Man Utd fans is he is shit.
     
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    I haven't got all the stats, I've no idea if that's factually accurate or not.

    What I do know is that Gareth Southgate selected him and as an alternative the best you can come up with is Jared Bowen?
     
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    Trust me when Lingard doesn't start the team is more 1 dimensional. The likes of Martial and Rashford don't have spaces to attack and Pogba gets much less ability to roam or drive forward with the ball as space isn't there and he doesn't have a player who has the energy to trackback. That also limits the FB's ability to get forward as the chance of a turnover of play is much higher and they have less cover if they push too high.

    And fans hating a player or loving a player is hardly an example of proof he is shit. Just look at Herrera, Lindeloff and Bailly. Herrera was loved for his workrate but the amount of fouls he gave away near the edge of the box was crazy, and that was because his positional sense in the English game was woeful and he gave away fouls because he was having to try and recover from his bad positioning. Same with Bailly fans love his eye-catching last-ditch tackles but they were again forced on him by being badly positioned so he was having to try and make that up. Lindelof also has positional issues which is why he loses out on every single header he goes for. English football is different to the continent, even Pep had to adapt his style to be more direct and physical and that means the positioning you take up has to be different, all 3 players were/do take up the continental positioning (which is also why all 3 always look more solid in European games) but that puts them half way between two valid positions you need to take up in the English game so they get bypassed. Against Palace most united, fans blamed Maguire for the first goal, not Lindelof even though he lost out on a header with a smaller, less physical player because his starting position was all wrong

    Some players can do their job perfectly and even be the best player in the squad and fans will still hate them while others can be poor and still be loved
     
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    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Negative!

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    Sorry but how can anyone defend Lingard.He's utter sh@te.

    Came on against Southampton and even though Southampton were down to 10 men putting Lingard on meant the sides were equal.

    He highlights one of the reasons Utd are going backwards and are yesterday's fish and chip wrapper.

    Utd really are the 2nd club in Manchester with players like Lingard.

    Think this will be his last England call up for a while and Southgate called him up to say look I believe in you but you need to up your game.
     
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    He runs around a lot!
     
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    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Negative!

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    He's one of them mate, runs around a lot looks busy but not really doing much
     
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    Except if you had actually watched the match you would know the goal was scored before Lingard came on and with Mata in his place, there were some major problems. Mata, while he is great at picking a ball, he lacks mobility and it meant Rashford didn't have spaces to attack. Rashford ended up being the one dropping deep, moving into channels to try and create space but Mata can't get up with the play, Pereira lacks the pace of Martial so we only had James who isn't natural coming narrow to lead the line. And without Lingard's willingness and ability to get back Pogba also couldn't commit forward (Which is why Pogba along with Lindelof were the worst players on the pitch. How people rate Lindelof I don't know, I mean wow he can pass a ball but his positioning is shocking and always has been, he can't read the English game one bit)

    When Lingard came on it actually helped in those areas until the sending off, the sending off saw them drop deep and refuse to really get out of their structure. That's actually when you need a Mata more than a Lingard as a team sitting deep and rigid needs short clever passes not movement to unlock them
     
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    Very similar argument was made against Emile Heskey. Except lots of top managers kept picking him. Ok he may not great for your fantasy football team but he may be great for your actual team. It’s just a lazy way to criticise using stats
     
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