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Should have stayed in Bradford m8. You can get exactly the same experience for much less!

 

What does looting a shop have to do with the BLM movement?

We both know the answer. It's just low life, entitled chancers who want something for free and to cause mayhem in the meantime.

Look at the amount of theft happening all over the United States at the moment, people just walking out of stores, unchallenged with bagfulls of gear to probably sell on.

This isn't a right or a left wing problem, this is absolutely a wider society issue.

 

Ridiculous comparison. The vast, vast majority of people don't have a problem with 'immigration'. It's such a generic term as to be meaningless, and shouting down people who fairly outline their concerns as 'racist' is the crux of much of society's problems.

What many people have an issue with is uncontrolled immigration, to the point it overwhelms public services and funding, is ultimately funded by tax payers who never voted for such, forcibly meshes together very, very different cultures and belief systems and gall at the lopsided treatment ha ded out to illegal immigrants in comparison to impoverished folks who've paid into the system for years, and/or made huge sacrifices for the country by serving it.

It's demonstrably clear- communities who've been overloaded with huge volumes of immigration have underlying and increasingly open tensions. And it's only going to get worse by any attempt at sensible dialogue gets shouted down as 'racist'.

 

I've been to Budapest and Krakow and can thoroughly recommend both places to visit. Probably two of the best Cities I've visited and I've been to a decent number.

Berlin next in February, bring it on.

 

I know you like to blame the government for everything but the issues within the legal system are not completely within their control. They are constrained by the international law definition of an asylum seeker and legacy legislation that is designed to give the benefit of the doubt to the applicant.

And guess what happens whenever the government tries to change these things........the Guardian reading section of society throw their arms in the air and the weak government give it up. Example #1584 of why nothing ever sodding changes in this country.

 

I also can't understand who some can't grasp the simple concept that controlled immigration is beneficial all around the world but having an open border policy is not? But hey lets just throw out the old 'racism' curve ball. Or a hate crime, gotta be an arrestable offence there somewhere?

 

The cop out option is to label anyone voting for the likes of Wilders as right wing or racist instead of debating intelligently and asking why people voted that way. Problem is its easier to throw the label around than it is to engage in sensible debate as @Faithful Bantam was alluding to. The example has even been used on here today where the 'R' word has been used against people who think the policy of Poland and Hungary regarding immigration has merit. That all encompassing word again eh? Now used to kill debate stone dead.

 

I've spent time in both, and would completely reject the idea that they're highly racist. They're proud and defensive of their own culture and it being eroded, which to my mind is perfectly natural and understandable. Most countries are the same, and it only seems to be an issue for those who seem to be, to quote a Guy Ritchie film, 'drowning in their liberal white guilt'.

 

The numbers that were recently quoted can't be allowed to continue, you rightly point out much of the infrastructure in the UK is under massive pressure, hospitals, schools the NHS the last time I spoke face to face with a doctor from my medical practise was last February then being put on a waiting list to have both my hips replaced, my surgeon told me both hips should have been removed 12 to 18 months earlier, maybe if I had seen a doctor they would have had me in a waiting list instead of prescribing me more powerful drugs hoping my pain would go away, what was ironic the doctor who I eventually saw diagnosed my problem within minutes of me laying on the couch.
Some where common sense has to prevail there has to be a decision taken by the next government to reduce the present situation, now if that is classed as racist then the world's gone mad.
We have our own people who for what ever reason find themselves with no home to go to no bed to sleep in, food banks giving food away to those in need yet we can spend millions finding accomodation food and money to give to these people who have found enough money to illegally enter the UK, we really do need to put our own house in order first.

 

Equally, if you are willing to graft and make a better life for yourself i have no problem with anyone wanting to make one in. Lest be honest, some of the laziest workshy oxygen thieves in the country are from people who would class themselves as indigenous to these shores and would be the first to shout send them back. These lazy shiesters would be the first i'd deport. Usually found on council estates complaining about others having never done a days work in their lives.

 

I would suggest that figure is with regards the boat people and others who come here illegally to claim asylum, many without any documentation to help prove who they are and why they have fled their mother country, and whilst their asylum claims are being processed they disappear without trace, that's one good way to repay the country that is possibly going to allow them to stay if their claim is a success.
The present situation is nothing to do with regards those with work visas as they would have been processed before they come or they wouldn't get a work visa.
I'd have though if they are as they claim genuine asylum seekers they would do everything within n their power to make sure they are available whilst their asylum claims were being processed.
Then again why would an asylum seeker who enter the UK by illegal means then abide by the law and make themselves available whilst their asylum claim is being processed they have nothing else to do unless they join the black economy market also illegal.
I'd think the people who came here legally with work visas wouldn't be a part of that figure of 17,000 as they have already gone through legal channels.
Do you seriously believe under a Labour government even if they do throw extra resources at the situation it would deter the likes of the boat people and other illegals coming to the UK, it was Blair and the Labour government who were more than happy to allow entry into the UK in vey large numbers as @Idlebantam alludes to I doubt it will be a priority if Labour get into power at the next General Election.
I've posted before if there is a need for people from abroad who want to take these jobs you've mentioned we should manage the situation with work visas Germany did it off years with regards cheap ok Turkish labour but only while work was available, but that should not mean they then have the right to bring other relatives and relations in to the UK.
Maybe one route to go down is to get those within our society who believe being unemplyed is a life style choice to take these jobs or to lose their benefits.

 

I'm going to Poland in about two weeks time for Christmas, I've been there numerous times.And when I'm in those beautiful mountains in Zakopane not once will I look and think how I wish it was more diverse here. Poland and Hungary do what their people wish, in the future a lot will see the reasons they do what they do has merit.

 

I don't know why you don't get it. It looks really simple to me.

People like and appreciate legal migrants who come to participate and enhance our society.

People dislike people who circumvent or bend rules to diminish the fabric of our society and want to deter that happening.

Both things can be true at the same time. Its only people who want to bring the debate down to base levels (the gammon hate immigrants) who want to muddy the waters.

 

I think that's a fair point. I think much of it comes down to culture. There are many varying cultures across the world, and to my mind its human nature to have greater and lesser affinity for certain cultural norms and behaviours. I love to travel and experience different things - many don't - but in any event, its not 'wrong' to be fearful of, or against, having different cultural behaviours foisted onto your own local and national community. There needs to be a sensible conversation about this stuff. To my mind, that's the crux of multiculturalism. Having tolerance for preferences, without that being disrespectul or hateful, defining where the 'boundaries' for different cultures should be drawn, what values that bind our country need to be protected etc. What multiculturalism isn't, is just crashing it all together without control, and decrying anyone who voices concern as racist.

Mass immigration is also a neat little way for many businesses to keep labour costs low, which is why big businesses appear to be liberal about the topic.

 

There is no such thing as a sensible conversation when it comes to immigration, the debate ends up being taken over by idiotic flag waankers who look like Grant Mitchell or the stupid loony left halfwits like Owen Jones. Its quite simple, there is a need in the world for migration, has been for centuries. But open door policies like we see in Europe will only end up going one way.

 

It is quite ironic though that this is a thread about riots in Dublin and its an issue being experienced all around Europe at the moment but you think the major factor is the UK government. Doesn't seem to fit logically does it.

 

I remember someone telling me of his trips to Milan some years back to see family and how shocked he was to see the area around the historic train station, folk openly urinating and defecating in the streets. Now the whole of Europe bar a couple of countries is seeing the effects of complete uncontrolled open borders.It isn't really the migrants fault, they are just pawns in some game of deliberate social engineering. Let me stress to the less intelligent, there is nothing wrong with controlled immigration. But not what we currently see masquerading under the cover of 'asylum or refugee'. As the Algerian lad i've referenced a few times said to me, he didn't come over here because he hated his country or he was being persecuted, far from it. He loved the place. Just no work.

 

That's an unfortunate line......

So, 2 x equivalent full VP's per year invading is a drop in the ocean then... ?