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Family members happened in the previous easing though when the R rate was on the decline. And there are some of the other lockdown easing I don’t agree with either but those places aren’t serving stupid people alcohol making them even more stupid. Maybe at your pub you were lucky and everyone was sensible but as we saw that wasn’t the case across the board, especially when it came to younger people who are largely the same brain dead idiots who attended BLM protests and hence increased the likelihood they have it. If the country has to go back into Lockdown it’s not just pubs owners who lose their business, it’s going to kill basically every business in the country.

 

Not in nursery and reception they're not. I've seen the Government guidelines which specifically state that although measures are to be put in place to limit interactions (i.e. deep cleaning at the end of everyday, social bubbles etc.) social distancing does not have to be adhered to for those age groups.

 

I agree. One of my neighbours is the principal at a local secondary school with about 800 kids. Their school is an old one and even though the classes have no more than 20 kids, they cannot enforce social distancing because of the design of the school and the limitation on available classrooms and teachers to have even smaller classes. Instead, following the Govt's guidelines, she is in the process of creating social bubbles for all of her students. These will be year group social bubbles (above year 7) with around 100 student per bubble. Her view is that it is unsafe and unworkable and if one member of one child's family is tested positive for Covid 19, assuming that the track and trace system works, the entire year group has to go into self isolation. It's a transmission problem just waiting to happen.

 

True. My son is in reception at Thackley. They have been unable to open the school for reception children due to the issues you've highlighted. They brought back years 1 and 6 I believe and then simply did not have enough space and resources to bring anyone else back without breaking Government guidelines.

My wife works in Reception at a school in Otley, she has a bubble with one other teacher and 9 children. The bubble cannot socially distance from each other that's why they've created the bubble.

By September when schools reopen fully, it's very likely the chances of anyone catching COVID will be minimal as the R rate continues to fall less and less people will be able to pass it on.

 

In a place like a pub, all it takes is one drunk person to infect everyone. As we see that Landlords and pub operators can't be trusted to be anything but money-grabbing bastards even outside of a pandemic who will just basically pour drink down peoples necks resulting in all the drink-related anti-social behaviour and worst of all drink driving. They are serving them something which under normal circumstances can be dangerous to the person consuming it and to others that person comes into contact with. And in these circumstances, it doesn't even need to get to that level for them to now be a danger to others so with the R rate on the rise again its one of the things that shouldn't;t have reopened

 

You are the one being unreasonable. I don’t care if you yourself are responsible enough to be allowed in a pub as you will drink in moderation and keep social distancing, its not just you in the pub and you can't control everyone else. We have a real issue in this country with overindulging in alcohol and again all it takes is ONE idiot being enabled by pubs who across the country have consistently failed in their duty of care to their customers and you have an outbreak. We have already seen numerous pubs closed due to a customer having tested positive and they have only been open 4 days. In my area, we have also had five shut down by the council for failure to ensure customers were being responsible and abide by social distancing.

You can't have a place where people go to get drunk and which the pubs won't dare turn around and go 'You have had 2 we are cutting you off as it's even more socially irresponsible letting you get drunk than normal' in a bloody pandemic. It's maybe less of an issue for ones which have an outside area and who can then run a table service and not let customers inside because transmission is less likely outdoors but the simple fact is the R rate is rising, we have one city already back on lockdown, multiple others including Bradford close to joining them. It's one thing opening-up places where people are going to be in possession of their own common sense but not places where that common sense is diluted by the effects of alcohol.

 

Too right I was. Buying alcohol wasn't essential. if people really wanted to drink they could add it to their food orders. They weren't allowing business that were essential to aid people working from home to open (which then saw online retailers treat those very same products as being non-essential so they were taking several weeks to arrive) yet an off licence was deemed essential. Why exactly?

 

This was at a point where I wasn’t able to go to PC World to pick up vital equipment for my work (and which Amazon were deeming non-essential so had a month long delay on them) but I could go and buy Alcohol in an off-licence. You need to remember as well that the majority of off-licences are fairly small without the space and wide aisles of a supermarket (or big electronic stores) to do effective social distancing. If you needed Alcohol supermarkets were open where they could have got it so specifically exempting off-licences just didn’t make sense. Especially when coupled with spending about a decade pushing people into self employment and then wanting people to work from home shutting stores that sell equipment that these people needed hindered that. Imagine your graphics card died and you were working from home and others rely on your work to do their own and you have Amazon telling you it’s not essential so your prime next day delivery now doesn’t apply and even the other places that are still shipping either don’t offer express delivery and even if they do all the delivery services had increased their guaranteed delivery times so rather than 1-2 days they were largely saying 3-5 days. That’s hardly helping keep the business that could still operate via having people work from home to do so