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Hardly. Schools are supposed to be adhering to social distancing at all times to limit contact. That's far form the same as a kid hugging someone who being a grandparent in most cases means they are generally in a more at risk age group

 

The thing is though Food Shopping is essential. Going and sitting for hours in a closed environment to have a drink and watch football is hardly essential. Also tbh the biggest issue isn't even with going to the pub but more the problems that the alcohol then causes. If you could trust people not to be idiots and only have 1 or 2 and you could also trust bar owners not to be money-grabbing bastards who will only do enough to prevent overconsumption to prevent them being legally liable then it would be fine but sadly those are things you can't rely on. Infact because some are having you book and only giving you a set length it perhaps encourages overconsumption of then the issues that come with that more. The push to extend opening times previously, after all, has had the idea that being open longer means people drink at a more steady pace so even though they may drink slightly more in total its spread over a longer period so the concentration in your system is lower

 

I was talking more the foreign Holidays tbh. There are some lomas of UK holidays (but not all) where you can be in a fair amount of control to limit you exposure but it’s very hard to limit exposure going through an airport with the security that has to be in place, getting on a plane and then flying to a country where you are then being taken to a hotel where you mix with people and either spend your days by a pool or on the beach where you are relying on others actually not being selfish bastards who as long as they are having fun they don’t care

 

True. My son is in reception at Thackley. They have been unable to open the school for reception children due to the issues you've highlighted. They brought back years 1 and 6 I believe and then simply did not have enough space and resources to bring anyone else back without breaking Government guidelines.

My wife works in Reception at a school in Otley, she has a bubble with one other teacher and 9 children. The bubble cannot socially distance from each other that's why they've created the bubble.

By September when schools reopen fully, it's very likely the chances of anyone catching COVID will be minimal as the R rate continues to fall less and less people will be able to pass it on.

 

In a place like a pub, all it takes is one drunk person to infect everyone. As we see that Landlords and pub operators can't be trusted to be anything but money-grabbing bastards even outside of a pandemic who will just basically pour drink down peoples necks resulting in all the drink-related anti-social behaviour and worst of all drink driving. They are serving them something which under normal circumstances can be dangerous to the person consuming it and to others that person comes into contact with. And in these circumstances, it doesn't even need to get to that level for them to now be a danger to others so with the R rate on the rise again its one of the things that shouldn't;t have reopened

 

Too right I was. Buying alcohol wasn't essential. if people really wanted to drink they could add it to their food orders. They weren't allowing business that were essential to aid people working from home to open (which then saw online retailers treat those very same products as being non-essential so they were taking several weeks to arrive) yet an off licence was deemed essential. Why exactly?

 

This was at a point where I wasn’t able to go to PC World to pick up vital equipment for my work (and which Amazon were deeming non-essential so had a month long delay on them) but I could go and buy Alcohol in an off-licence. You need to remember as well that the majority of off-licences are fairly small without the space and wide aisles of a supermarket (or big electronic stores) to do effective social distancing. If you needed Alcohol supermarkets were open where they could have got it so specifically exempting off-licences just didn’t make sense. Especially when coupled with spending about a decade pushing people into self employment and then wanting people to work from home shutting stores that sell equipment that these people needed hindered that. Imagine your graphics card died and you were working from home and others rely on your work to do their own and you have Amazon telling you it’s not essential so your prime next day delivery now doesn’t apply and even the other places that are still shipping either don’t offer express delivery and even if they do all the delivery services had increased their guaranteed delivery times so rather than 1-2 days they were largely saying 3-5 days. That’s hardly helping keep the business that could still operate via having people work from home to do so

 

I was talking more about the general attitude outside a pandemic. We have a real issue in this country where the pubs who have a duty of care for their customers and a legal requirement not to over-serve customers don’t really take it serious enough. Hence our unacceptable levels of drunk driving and alcohol fuelled violence. They have to be so paralytic that there is no way they can argue the case not to serve people. That's damaging enough normally but that happening right now not only has the dangers that normally exist and a whole new set. I would be more open to pubs reopening if they were either not serving alcohol at all or if there were better systems in place to regulate how many drinks people can have (especially as again pub owners in the U.K. have been telling us for a long time the limited opening hours cause more binge drinking so when many pubs are limiting how long you can be in them is going to make that worse)

 

Look I can appreciate them having issues by not being able to open and I'm all for finding ways to get as many businesses open as possible but again we are talking about an industry that serves people a substance that hinders their ability to think clearly and worse of all with the way landlords and bar staff don't do enough to cut people off sooner. If they weren't serving alcohol or they had a safe way to test that they weren't serving anyone who was over the Drink Drive Limit (And ideally if they have outside space not letting people inside the pub) I would be fine with it but we have enough sober idiots let alone adding drunk ones to it. Again I will point out its also an industry who have consistently called for opening restrictions to be relaxed or scrapped completely using the argument that it causes more drunkenness as people rush to get as many drinks in as possible but now in many cases, they are limiting how long someone can be in the pub. By their very own theory that's going to cause more binge drinking and thus more of the problems that go with that

Personally, though I'm not sure why some pubs haven't been more forward-thinking and done delivery services. Some of the restaurants that serve alcohol jumped onto service like Uber Eats and they will deliver alcohol and these delivery companies have been desperate to get new outlets onto their apps. All it would have taken was buying in some plastic cups suitable for delivery (Such as those you get at events) and they had an income stream to exploit (and even more so if they are one that serves food as they can also deliver food) but seems most of them are too stuck in the 1960s to be forward-thinking.

And you can go about me that it's only 3 days but you clearly know nothing about the industry I work in and what its like being self-employed in it. The majority of my work isn't consistent, I have a few who pay me a retainer so that's guaranteed income but most of my clients either hire me when they have a 1 off project or for emergency work. As a lot of my clients are either in industries that are shut down or on very limited operation or whose income is reliant on things like Ads when ad revenue is currently almost dead (This site is down 82% over the first 11 days of July compared to the first 11 days of last year, that's despite traffic being 37% higher, although posts are obviously down) then most one-off projects are pretty much off the table until at least 2021. So that leaves me reliant of the sporadic emergency work. A minimum of 3 working days is just too long in most cases, I lose that job and potentially that client long term. And at the time people like me were getting no governmental help and even when we did its a much inferior deal to what others get and ends well before things pick up so my anger at them impacting what income I might have both short term and long term by completely closing retailers who provide vital equiipment for both the self employed and those newly working from home when they could stay open safely while letting off-licences most of which can't really provide a safe environment stay open