I've just listened to the PM's conference speech to her home fans. She used the word 'growth' 29 times! Whilst just about everybody wants a growing economy, not once did she refer to a Govt policy or infrastructure investment or educational improvements which might help as catalysts for growth. There was no evidence of a plan to deliver growth other than her saying "My plan is .... growth, growth, growth". That's OK then! It was just red meat to the faithful. It isn't sufficient to say that change is required without at least suggesting what changes are required in order to deliver growth. And the faithful lapped it up.
In footballing terms it was like Sparks saying "My plan is .. promotion, promotion, promotion" without any reference to having to improve the team or change the manager or spending money to invest in the club to achieve that. It's just rhetoric.
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Isn't it funny we have people telling us the problems with regards global warming and the burning of fossil fuel, yet countries are now talking about the possibility re introducing the burning of fossil fuel because they are so reliant on Russian oil
Well done Maggie for selling our resources to privately owned companies in turn some sold out to foreign investors.Fordy117, bantamdave41, 1975citygent and 4 others like this. -
I think this will turn the publics opinion towards nationalisation of gas, electric and water companies. Id go for rail as well but Id make those private companies owned by the public. So as to keep the competitiveness for bonus's and jobs.
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They are far too important to be owned by commercial enterprises who have only one driving force...............profit.
The decisions made on behalf of this type of "company" should be for the benefit of the people, not the shareholders.vladimir, WilsdenBantam, YungNath and 4 others like this. -
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It's clear that Putin did not envisage a long drawn out conflict, nor that his army would perform so terribly and suffer such huge losses of troops and expensive ordinance. There are now credible reports of Russian troops running short of ammunition and other kit. The longer the war goes on the more the technologically superior western weaponry will prevail; the harder it will become for Russia to replenish its (often unwilling) troops with necessary equipment and the greater the drain on the economy. This is not what Putin envisaged at all when he set off to annexe Ukraine back into his dreams of a new Russian Empire/USSR.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/8/29/did-sanctions-really-hurt-the-russian-economy
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/business/russia-economy-gdp.html
https://www.ft.com/content/eebc166b-0ab3-4a69-b61c-62908ee984e5
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/22/russia-economy-sanctions-myths-ruble-business/
I have some sympathy with what you say about our inaction in other conflicts and I accept that there is an element of hypocrisy, particularly given the colonial history of the west in most of those countries.
However, there is a hugely significant point of difference. In geographical terms, Russia is on our doorstep compared to those other countries. It is also inextricably bound up with the history and culture of Europe. It directly borders several countries that are part of the European family of modern democratic Western nations. Several of those countries used to be subservient elements of the Russian Empire/USSR and have made a considered democratic choice to be free of Russian domination and part of the western European family.
Democracy undoubtedly has its faults but, as Churchill (amongst others) once said, "Democracy is the worst form of government - except for all those others that have been tried from time to time". Putin has no interest in democracy. He believes it is weak and decadent. He is only interested in power. He wants to be remembered in history as the man who reconstituted the Russian Empire, regardless of whether any of those former colonies wish to be slaves to Russia again. He openly states that Ukraine is a region of Russia, not an independent state with its own history and the right to elect its own government.
The reason that the west is so involved in Ukraine is because it's not just about Ukraine. It's about the right of sovereign democracies to maintain their self determination as independent states. Putin has already illegally annexed Crimea, installed puppet regimes in Belarus and parts of Donbas. If the West does not help Ukraine to stop him, it would be Moldova, the Baltic States and Poland next. And he would go on and on until he recaptures everything he believes is 'rightfully' part of Russia's empire.
You may be too young to have lived through the Cold War years, but I'm not. Putin wants to take us back to those times, when Russia was a superpower and all of Eastern Europe was subjugated in poverty, uniformity and state surveillance. For all the West's faults, and they are many, the world is a safer place without a Russian dictator dominating half of Europe.Skyebantam, Dennis, Hugh Jarse and 4 others like this. -
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It's pure economic madness, driven by ideological extremists who believe, as an article of faith, that the market will solve everything.
I'm a dyed in the wool Keynesian. Governments borrowing to fund direct investment in industry and infrastructure to pump prime the economy and create jobs and wealth - bang on.
Governments borrowing to fund tax cuts in the (fingers crossed) hope that the rich and powerful will do the investment for them - laughably inept and unrealistic.
There's not a shred of evidence that making the rich richer will create the conditions for economic growth. 'Trickle down economics' is a myth that has never once been shown to work.Jayteebee, Allotment Bantam, Skyebantam and 4 others like this. -
Then those companies could setup in the EU and take cash from europe into our pockets. Win winJayteebee, WilsdenBantam, bantamdave41 and 3 others like this. -
How dare the managements of these two companies steal this amount of money from the British public.
There are laws, but I feel the punishment should fit the crime, I cannot belittle these management teams enough.
They are sub-human.
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A rich person going on telly trying to tell people who have nothing how to save a few pennies here and there, is the height of condescension. She can go *@?$ herself.
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On a positive note, Crispin Odey has made a couple of million by betting on sterling's fall after Friday's announcements. He is a hedge fund owner and major sponsor of the Conservative Party. Oh yes, coincidentally he also employed Kwarteng in his hedge fund business before he entered politics. -
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Liz Truss was as convincing this morning on the media rounds as Harry Maguire has been has recently been at center back for England.
She seems done for before she has even started, a chancer without a plan who found herself at the top.
I said the Tories needed a clean break but the MPs put forward 2 MPs who were front and centre as the choices and boy it that being exposed.
I think the best thing I have seen these who thing described as is a "Trussterfuck".JonButterfield, RCarol, Storck and 2 others like this. -
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We are currently in a natural upward trend of carbon following the last ice age 20000 years ago. This upward trend has not stopped at 280ppm as is the norm. It hasn't stopped at 300ppm which was the previously recorded peak. It's currently recorded at 419 ppm and seems to still be on the rise.
There is more carbon in the atmosphere now than there ever has been before and I don't think the amount of carbon we create is a coincidence. I agree that if the UK went carbon neutral tomorrow it wouldn't make much difference overall, it's a global problem that requires a global solution.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...WilsdenBantam, YungNath, Jayteebee and 1 other person like this. -
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Fracking, in the UK, ended primarily due to the fact it wasn't economic. The recent surge in gas prices may have changed those economics, but I would be amazed if anyone wants there energy prices to be tied to rising gas prices. We need to move away from expensive technologies.
With regard to lithium batteries, you raise a valid point about their eco friendliness, but it is a technology that is rapidly advancing and grid storage is much more than just lithium batteries. The 5% figure you quoted, for lithium batteries, may be the current position (and it will not be even 5% in the UK), which considering lithium batteries are 100% recyclable is appalling situation to be in. However, the UK now has its first company (opened a few months ago) achieving 100% and I'm sure more will follow.
Regarding solar panels, they cannot be sent to landfill in the UK, they have to be recycled although, in the past, recycling has not been 100% effective (that is changing now). With an estimated average lifespan of 30 to 40 years for modern panels, we have not had to recycle many panels so far, so we do need to significantly upscale our recycling capacity to deal with future volumes.
The bottom line, though, is that the cost of wind and solar is a tiny fraction of the likes of gas and nuclear and the immediate priorities need to be to bring down energy costs and attain energy self sufficiency, both of which can be achieved with wind, solar, hydro and tidal, plus grid storage / smart home storage.
The UK has been procrastinating, over energy, for far too long. The current energy crisis is now forcing the issue.
As you may have noticed, from posts on 'UK Energy Needs' thread, I have been researching energy intensively over the last couple of years, as part of a personal project to realign my own energy usage.
I've had to factor in:
What I have discovered so far is:- the current UK energy market;
- the direction of the UK energy market;
- the impact of the UK government;
- external factors (notably, the impact of Russia); and
- current and emerging technologies
- we waste energy;
- we are not doing very much about 1 above;
- we have no (or very little in the way of a) energy strategy in the UK (we are not the only ones);
- we allow the major energy companies to dictate our energy markets, which drive us towards the most profitable options for them, rather than what is best for UK consumers;
- Gas for home heating is an outdated technology that should have long gone;
- Hydrogen is not the answer;
- There are lots of existing technologies that will improve the situation, IF WE ALLOW THEM TO;
- There are lots of emerging technologies that will improve the situation, IF WE ALLOW THEM TO;
- My house was not built with energy efficiency in mind; and
- No matter what I do, it will be a far from perfect answer.
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Longer term, privatisation is an option but a more sensible route would be to take a serious step towards renewables providing the vast majority of residential energy. I watched a video about a street in the UK, think it was London way and they're working as a collective to provide all of their own energy with solar and wind power. They're doing that independently so why couldn't government facilitate it.
The cynic in me thinks that a project that extends beyond the life of a government's stint in power is too much of a risk for them to contemplate. The legacy for a government that made energy virtually free would be on a par with the introduction of the NHS, education for all, welfare state etc. Enormous.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Bronco, WilsdenBantam, Skyebantam and 1 other person like this. -
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I see Edwina Currie is telling people to decorate their homes with what looks like tinfoil wallpaper to help keep their homes warm.
I'm not sure how I will spend the savings I will make along with the savings from the new kettle.WilsdenBantam, Nottsy, bantamdave41 and 1 other person like this.
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