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Clubs Mindset

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BantamJ, Apr 23, 2023.

  1. AngryGaz

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    had the right man been at the helm I’m sure it would have happened he sadly had a fooking conman
     
  2. Silverbantam

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    Surely Julian Rhodes and Mark Lawn look more like Laurel and Hardy
     
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  3. XCIV_Bantam

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    Bronco mate, not saying you are lying at all. I do understand where you are coming from. I just disagree with how much he is directly involved in our predicament.

    he backed Edin with regards asking Mccall to walk, McCall even quoted it, or are you not aware of that.

    Yes as edin was feeding him lies while he was 1000s of miles away..

    again you fail at accept it was two Bradford City fans who got him to wake up.

    Nope i did talk about that on previous post never denied that - Rupp stuck by his man until he realised Rahic was a bare faced liar.

    You say his job at the time was to sign cheques well more fool him, in fact more fool him for taking the likes of Edin on without any background checks, and taking the word of his bank manager laughable.

    yep probably but quite a few clubs operate this way.

    so last question, do you genuinely think if only Rupp bought the club with no Rahic the mess that happened six years ago still happened?
     
  4. Bigrod

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    Slight disagreement with that last sentence, I think the players have to shoulder some of the responsibility. They are culpable in some of the defeats/draws. Incidents like last Saturday when they cannot see out the game, are down to the players on the pitch!

    Also don’t forget Doris the Tea Lady!! ;)
     
  5. Gardscoigne

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    I know we have a habit of conceding late goals, but last week the bigger problem was the lethargy and lack of urgency shown in the first half. Oh, and the e fannying about at goal kicks.
    Had we played like we did second half, we’d have been out of sight in the last minute.
    Until we are capable of showing intensity for more than 45 minutes we won’t succeed.
    Sutton on Easter Monday aside, we’ve rarely performed for the full 90 minutes
     
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  6. Bigrod

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    Yes I would agree with that. That is partially down to the players, as well as the recruitment and way the team is set up (Leyton Orient use a 4-2-3-1 system).

    Trying to lay it all at Hughes feet, is wholly unfair.
     
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  7. Faithful Bantam

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    I don't think its wholly on anyone, but the buck has to stop with Hughes. He's been well backed and top 3 was the right level of expectation. He hasn't done it. It may be that he rescues the thing through the playoffs but I'm doubtful.

    We've had the same shortcomings on display all season, and January was a failure in terms of giving the squad what it needed to take it on a level. Stubbs aside, and Clayton to a point, none of the other additions have worked. We needed a quality replacement for Wright and didn't get one, a creative midfielder and didn't get one, and someone else who could contribute goals, and didn't get one. We got a plethora of sub standard loan signings.

    We rarely play with real intensity for anything like 90 minutes and I have to think that's at the direction of the manager; case in in point being the Rochdale game. Team that's bottom of the League and his instruction at HT, when only 1-0 was to sit back and hit them on the break. Now, it worked in that game, just about, but its a game plan we've seen often and it generally doesn't work.

    Despite the frustrations, if we don't go up I don't think he should be sacked. I don't really have the appetite to start again from scratch and we have to hope that Northampton are a good example of having a 'nearly there' platform to build on again in the summer, to make next season our season. But I worry on 2 fronts - firstly, we'll have moneybags Wrexham into the League, almost certainly Notts C too with plenty of backing, Salford will throw plenty at it again, Gillingham are going to invest. There'll be several, well funded and ambitious clubs in this league next season. And secondly, I see no real evidence that Hughes knows where and how to solve the deficiencies we see. Again, I'd point to January's transfer business, but also the continued pissing about at goalkicks which consistently causes us more problems than the opposition.
     
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  8. Bantamsteve

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    Absolutely right the players must share some responsibility
    However I think they are far from comfortable messing about (for want of a better phrase) at the back they know they aren't good enough to do it
    Notice Lewis indecision/reluctance to throw/pass the ball backwards across his area last Saturday
    That's down to Hughes and his tactics am afraid he needs to realise these players are L2 for a reason and adapt its cost us a lot of points this season
    Leave Doris alone she does a great job ;);)
     
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  9. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    MH said they were playing too short in the first half and didn't get the balance right.
    Second half Swindon too direct, First half Gills too short.
    So that's not MH tactics, that's the players not carrying out what he wants on pitch.
     
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    Maybe because they are NOT top end L1/Championship standard
     
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  11. Bronco

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    .

    Obviously we have different takes on Rupp's tenure at the club, we both accept he got taken for a ride by a con man, I believe Rupp didn't do enough homework on Edin.

    I've given Rupp credit with regards funding us through the pandemic and for trying to put right Edin mess.

    I believe if you know the back ground with regards the purchase of the club Rupp was the money man and any money Edin put in was basically a loan from Rupp.
    I'm not sure anyone could answer your last question, obviously it was Edin's idea with regards owning a football club, they both said they had looked at other options, so I'm not sure it would have happened without Edin with regards Rupp wanting to purchase something he had limited knowledge of.

    What I would hope with regards your question would be if Rupp had purchased the club he would have brought a CEO in with previous experience of running a football club, Julian and Mark both offered their experience but we're turn down which is rather ironic as when it became clear Edin was lying Rupp's first port of call was to turned to Julian to steady the shop.
     
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  12. Faithful Bantam

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    If the manager is backed to overhaul the squad, and keeps enforcing tactics that the players can't carry out, where does the fault lie....?
     
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  13. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    Should we sack Hughes and start again, again?
     
  14. Onside

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    I agree with the majority of what you have said. If we don’t believe that MH can improve or has the nouse to solve the problems you have so eloquently outlined, then what is the point of keeping him here? Like you the very thought of changing our manager fills me with dread. If it is a money issue, ie Wright, when we couldn’t compete with Plymouth, then Rupp needs to think about this because as you have also highlighted league 2 is about to become League 1 in waiting, and we could easily find ourselves in the bottom half of the table next season, which is probably where we would be this season but for Cookie, who was the previous managers addition.
     
  15. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    This season has been a big improvement on the previous three. I've actually enjoyed going to games!
    There is wriggle room with the loans to go back and a few out of contract in the summer.
    MH needs to get the full two years of his contract.
    It will also help attract other Manager's in the future. We were getting lumped in with Watford, in terms of perception of how long we give Manager's to get it right.
     
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  16. XCIV_Bantam

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    you imply here that the club have got all of their targets and cannot improve on any position with new players. the amount of moaning I see here regarding players tells me otherwise.

    We are 20 points better off than we were last season so is a large improvement.

    We find targets that improve the squad and push onward next season whichever league we are in.
     
  17. XCIV_Bantam

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    spot on that. Funny as soon as we give a manager over a year we actually get a decent team together, actually pushing on for League One - instead of having a squad rebuild year after year.
     
  18. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    A lot of the squad are on two year deals, so nearly half way through. A new Manager is still going to have to work with a similar group, bar a few additions. I just don't see the value in starting again.
     
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  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    I've enjoyed going to games, it's just the miserable trail back up VP at 4.45 that spoils the day ...
     
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  20. Bigrod

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    One of the things we are stuck with at Valley Parade are the pitch dimensions. At 64 metres/70 yards wide (Orient 73 metres/ 80 yards; Northampton 66 metres/ 72 yards; Stockport 66 metres/72 yards; Salford 68 metres 74 yards), then it is quite narrow and more so than most of our rivals.

    Consequently the players do not have as much space/time and the opposition can close them down more quickly.

    I must admit I am not in favour of passing it round the back. Better distribution of the long ball is something we could work on.
     
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