Clubs Mindset

All those clubs have had investment. Whilst we 'live within our means', progress will always be limited. Mid-table League 1 at the most.

Being self-sustainable is to be applauded, but it does limit progress on the field.

 

Glad you have been thinking about it. I have for ages and it’s one of the reason I thought we would finish just outside the play offs.

The mindset of the club is all wrong. Yes, they are doing some good things but they just can’t get the mindset right. Showing no vision, putting down the economy of the city. Act like losers and you get losers!

 

I think you made a point against yourself in the OP - we had the history makers and went up. That was moving in the right direction again after admin.

the current woes aren’t anything to do with those two periods of admin. They are entirely the fault of two clueless owners who came in subsequently and, in a fresh chapter, started to destroy the club from within.

One hasnt stuck about, the other is trying to repair the mess, but the fault lies with them IMO.

imstead of valuing mccall after the millwall playoff final loss and bolstering a good L1 squad, they tore it apart, gave Stuart nothing to work with but their barnpot plans, and forced him out.

remember Kilgallon on the radio that night almost in tears as the board werent investing? We let good players walk because ‘we knew football’. Edin was just a big fraud in reality.

i agree the mindset at the club has been questionable but our problems are due to clueless owners and poor recruitment both in terms of managers and players.

we have made positive progress in the last 18 months, though. ST sales are fantastic and commercially we are doing really well. Rupp is still here throughout the progress, though he seems to be taking a backseat still.

i think it was 14 players we signed in the summer? That’s a big rebuild. Others have come in on loan. It might take us another season to go up, but it will be tougher next year with Wrexham and likely Notts county coming up.

 

What a load of horse crap mate. For once they are close to promotion and yet they are losers? You literally have zero clue and zero clue where we end up, i would stick to washing cars and procrastinating where your next shammy leather bulk buy is coming from.

 

Being self sufficient got us to the League 1 play offs. Plymouth operate on the same self sufficient idea as we do and they are top. Luton made a profit of £3mil in the 19/20 season in the Championship.
We say we never recovered from the admin but up until the takeover we were in a very healthy position and growing every season.
There are also other clubs that were in the Premier League and never recovered like Oldham, Swindon, Charlton

 

Doesn't have to be a City fan

Ryan Reynolds will have never heard Wrexham before. Now I don't really know the story of why he rocked up there flashing his millions.

I do find it odd that some clubs can find rich investors from out of their town, or even country and a club with our potential can't.

Rahic obviously got involved with us and saw the potential of getting us into the Championship on the back of a sizeable fanbase and potential to increase further, however, once here, he was out of his depth and made a right mess of it rapidly taking us backwards.

Fair play to Wrexham for attracting glamorous and wealthy owners, wish we could do the same

 

Yes, we had two great cup runs and sold Nakhi for £1m. We also had the Delph money coming in too. That funded the progress.
Great cup runs and selling a player for big money, don't come around too often.

 

I think you've answered your own question, it would take a lot of money to make us competitive in the higher leagues.

Just for example this quite about Millwall's finances

"Millwall made an overall pre-tax loss of £12.6 million, albeit slightly down on 2021’s £ 13.8 million. Compared to many clubs at Millwall’s level, their losses are relatively modest, but they are competing in a division where boards and owners are willing to gamble on promotion by paying high wages that are mostly unsustainable.

Millwall are one of the lowest cash generators in the Championship, so it is a major challenge to compete with opponents who are just out of the Premier League. They are also operating in a city awash with football clubs. The club’s neighbourhood, which has a very varied demographic, has a relatively high poverty rate."

I know that there is debate about the stadium ownership. But the current annual rent would be a minor cost overall if we were to reach the Championship. Perhaps a bigger issue is that the stadium needs some decent tlc and that isn't cheap.

Any "investor" would probably need to pay in the region of £8-10m for the club and I would argue invest at least that again (FFP notwithstanding) to make us viable to compete at a higher level. Going by the situation for many clubs in the Championship it would then need £10m+ a year to sustain.

We do have a great fanbase, but it isn't going to be 18,000 paying £400+ for season tickets. The economic reality of Bradford is a major stumbling block.

Wrexham's story is great but I think they will maybe get to league 1 and slow down as their financial clout becomes relatively diminished.

I do believe the club has undergone a massive change in the last year or so. It is deeply frustrating that we gave away a late equaliser yesterday, and failed to turn up second-half against Swindon. But I don't think that is anything to do with the club's mindset or approach in the last year.

 

Well it’s not a load of crap is it.

Look who are above us. We should be walking this league.

We have an owner that’s done nothing but fail the club. Most of clubs would have got him out by now but some on here think he’s king.

The club make out they are doing people a favour because of the economy in Bradford. Sorry, that’s bollocks.

Act like losers, get losers!

 

Investment is the key here.
We have had non and live within our means, which is not a bad thing , 2 administration's on.
Even with this, we are still into the owner for £1 million plus , thanks to covid.
The club unfortunately suffers from the city's image as a whole, and no amount of council vanity projects on borrowed cash will change that. Unfortunately many Bradfordian's also push this message of doom.Bradford is no worse than many a place .
For anyone wanting to invest in a lower league football team you could not get much better than us in my opinion. Reasonable stadium , great fan base, potential to be a good championship side and yet other clubs continue to find backers, Gillingham yesterday as an example where as we get owners, who's arms are short and with very deep pockets.

 

Bradford City push the doom as well. You even have to look at the statement of why the season tickets are cheap.

Instead of just saying the prices are x they have to point to the economy of Bradford. @wetherbywhaler did it in that stupid DVD. It’s bollocks and the club & council need to stop it!

Start taking up the city for FFS. Feeding off the low’s instead of concentrating on the highs.