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Clubs Mindset

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BantamJ, Apr 23, 2023.

  1. BantamJ

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    After yesterday it got me thinking of all the clubs who have had pretty serious events happen to them during the last 15 years. Wigan, Bolton all going minutes away from going out of business. Coventry playing miles from their home, Orient , Bristol Rovers, Luton hitting non league. These teams and clubs have all recovered and to a degree back progressing league position wise.’

    We seemingly never have shock off the admin years it’s been pitiful bar the parky years. Makes me wonder is just the mentality of the club, loss after loss and underachievement is in our core. I know some club officials read this site but for me the club to fully thrive we have to understand why we have such a fragile mentality.
     
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    All those clubs have had investment. Whilst we 'live within our means', progress will always be limited. Mid-table League 1 at the most.

    Being self-sustainable is to be applauded, but it does limit progress on the field.
     
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    Glad you have been thinking about it. I have for ages and it’s one of the reason I thought we would finish just outside the play offs.

    The mindset of the club is all wrong. Yes, they are doing some good things but they just can’t get the mindset right. Showing no vision, putting down the economy of the city. Act like losers and you get losers!
     
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    Show me a Millionaire Bradford fan willing to invest in city and Ill show you a fool

    Here the problem lye's
     
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    Totally agree .. i don’t think the cheap tickets help club are overjoyed at selling 14k (great achievement) but disguises the need for Rupp to dip his hand in. Also 14k is a huge pressure pot for players and it stands to reason the best players are normally the ones with the best mentality- living within our means we won’t get the best players without investment. So for me the cycle continues huge expectant crowds, budget bringing only what it makes, 1 - 3 good players the rest not so good and that pressure gives us the results we have had. No coincidence when it mattered this year Northampton at home, Swindon Tues and yesterday the player’s mentality just dropped.
     
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    I’d argue it’s rare these days you see rich fans owning clubs. You get normally smart business people as I accept it’s a commercial business and has to create revenue. What I don’t understand, how no one has seen the potential in the club or Rupp himself (sought further support) . I know we own nothing, but for me the club has huge potential. Ticket sales prove that - so something is putting off suitors?
     
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    The price ... we own Nothing yet Rupp wants his wonga back
     
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    That’s why I will celebrate in equal measure the day we get out of this league and finally Rupp moving on!! I think one needs to happen before the other personally
     
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    I think you made a point against yourself in the OP - we had the history makers and went up. That was moving in the right direction again after admin.

    the current woes aren’t anything to do with those two periods of admin. They are entirely the fault of two clueless owners who came in subsequently and, in a fresh chapter, started to destroy the club from within.

    One hasnt stuck about, the other is trying to repair the mess, but the fault lies with them IMO.

    imstead of valuing mccall after the millwall playoff final loss and bolstering a good L1 squad, they tore it apart, gave Stuart nothing to work with but their barnpot plans, and forced him out.

    remember Kilgallon on the radio that night almost in tears as the board werent investing? We let good players walk because ‘we knew football’. Edin was just a big fraud in reality.

    i agree the mindset at the club has been questionable but our problems are due to clueless owners and poor recruitment both in terms of managers and players.

    we have made positive progress in the last 18 months, though. ST sales are fantastic and commercially we are doing really well. Rupp is still here throughout the progress, though he seems to be taking a backseat still.

    i think it was 14 players we signed in the summer? That’s a big rebuild. Others have come in on loan. It might take us another season to go up, but it will be tougher next year with Wrexham and likely Notts county coming up.
     
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    Yes I blame all of this at Rupps door and to be clear if we were in orients position I’d still want him gone. Next year worries me massively, he ain’t going to put extra in and the limited quality that is available at this level will go with the money. We are left with the gambles, rough diamonds, players of yest a year with 15k demanding results.
     
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    What a load of horse crap mate. For once they are close to promotion and yet they are losers? You literally have zero clue and zero clue where we end up, i would stick to washing cars and procrastinating where your next shammy leather bulk buy is coming from.
     
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    Being self sufficient got us to the League 1 play offs. Plymouth operate on the same self sufficient idea as we do and they are top. Luton made a profit of £3mil in the 19/20 season in the Championship.
    We say we never recovered from the admin but up until the takeover we were in a very healthy position and growing every season.
    There are also other clubs that were in the Premier League and never recovered like Oldham, Swindon, Charlton
     
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    Doesn't have to be a City fan

    Ryan Reynolds will have never heard Wrexham before. Now I don't really know the story of why he rocked up there flashing his millions.

    I do find it odd that some clubs can find rich investors from out of their town, or even country and a club with our potential can't.

    Rahic obviously got involved with us and saw the potential of getting us into the Championship on the back of a sizeable fanbase and potential to increase further, however, once here, he was out of his depth and made a right mess of it rapidly taking us backwards.

    Fair play to Wrexham for attracting glamorous and wealthy owners, wish we could do the same
     
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    Plymouth have US investment and looking at things like training facilities there are on the way up. However I categorically remember former managers using Luton , Swindon as teams financially we couldn’t compete with. Charlton are a league above I’d snap my hands off for that , as for Oldham and Swindon - in fact all of the examples used we have equally (Charlton) and more potential. Which again begs the question why don’t other people see this? Maybe one for a forensic answer from @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler as he was/ is close to the inner workings. My view is ownership, ticketing structure and ground holding us back - but in summary money.
     
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    Yes, we had two great cup runs and sold Nakhi for £1m. We also had the Delph money coming in too. That funded the progress.
    Great cup runs and selling a player for big money, don't come around too often.
     
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    I think you've answered your own question, it would take a lot of money to make us competitive in the higher leagues.

    Just for example this quite about Millwall's finances

    "Millwall made an overall pre-tax loss of £12.6 million, albeit slightly down on 2021’s £ 13.8 million. Compared to many clubs at Millwall’s level, their losses are relatively modest, but they are competing in a division where boards and owners are willing to gamble on promotion by paying high wages that are mostly unsustainable.

    Millwall are one of the lowest cash generators in the Championship, so it is a major challenge to compete with opponents who are just out of the Premier League. They are also operating in a city awash with football clubs. The club’s neighbourhood, which has a very varied demographic, has a relatively high poverty rate."

    I know that there is debate about the stadium ownership. But the current annual rent would be a minor cost overall if we were to reach the Championship. Perhaps a bigger issue is that the stadium needs some decent tlc and that isn't cheap.

    Any "investor" would probably need to pay in the region of £8-10m for the club and I would argue invest at least that again (FFP notwithstanding) to make us viable to compete at a higher level. Going by the situation for many clubs in the Championship it would then need £10m+ a year to sustain.

    We do have a great fanbase, but it isn't going to be 18,000 paying £400+ for season tickets. The economic reality of Bradford is a major stumbling block.

    Wrexham's story is great but I think they will maybe get to league 1 and slow down as their financial clout becomes relatively diminished.

    I do believe the club has undergone a massive change in the last year or so. It is deeply frustrating that we gave away a late equaliser yesterday, and failed to turn up second-half against Swindon. But I don't think that is anything to do with the club's mindset or approach in the last year.
     
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    Well it’s not a load of crap is it.

    Look who are above us. We should be walking this league.

    We have an owner that’s done nothing but fail the club. Most of clubs would have got him out by now but some on here think he’s king.

    The club make out they are doing people a favour because of the economy in Bradford. Sorry, that’s bollocks.

    Act like losers, get losers!
     
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    Investment is the key here.
    We have had non and live within our means, which is not a bad thing , 2 administration's on.
    Even with this, we are still into the owner for £1 million plus , thanks to covid.
    The club unfortunately suffers from the city's image as a whole, and no amount of council vanity projects on borrowed cash will change that. Unfortunately many Bradfordian's also push this message of doom.Bradford is no worse than many a place .
    For anyone wanting to invest in a lower league football team you could not get much better than us in my opinion. Reasonable stadium , great fan base, potential to be a good championship side and yet other clubs continue to find backers, Gillingham yesterday as an example where as we get owners, who's arms are short and with very deep pockets.
     
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    Totally agree it all comes down to money.. am I blaming Rupp for yesterday or any other poor result no but he is part of the problem. Better players cost money, am not talking throwing money around am talking smart investments in assets or even better proven performers. I do not think for one second we need the figures banded around this chat to get us to the championship- we were close before but it need extra quality. Season ticket sales will gives us what we have this season odd sprinkle of talent but nothing that will sustain a title tilt or top 3. Agents fees were a good barometer all bar Crawley are above us - better players better mentality is needed because we need 14k to keep the club going and Rupp isn’t going to give extra so the cycle continues.
     
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    Bradford City push the doom as well. You even have to look at the statement of why the season tickets are cheap.

    Instead of just saying the prices are x they have to point to the economy of Bradford. @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler did it in that stupid DVD. It’s bollocks and the club & council need to stop it!

    Start taking up the city for FFS. Feeding off the low’s instead of concentrating on the highs.
     
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