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You have actually proved my original point correct. Or at least helped to do so.

@HUDDERSSBANTAM original point “Many people have settled out of court despite thinking they have a very good chance of winning a court case.” i was trying to find an example of specifically that. If you read through the full exchange you’ll get better context.

 

We have a few mate but football comes way behind that weird game over here AFL then both codes of rugby come 2nd & 3rd.

I mentioned the US based on the Man Utd owners and more relevant little old Wrexham. Our Manager comes from Wrexham and I'm sure many US companies will be aware of us to a degree.

 

I don't have any evidence and neither do you. I'm not going around saying I've 'proved' anything.
You've proved nothing. Not everyone wants to go to court. Some are happy to settle out of court.
That doesn't mean they would have lost the case.

To reiterate, I've nothing against Rupp. He seems a decent man to me.

 

Once again, many people settle out of court because they don't want to go to court.
Still waiting for you to 'prove' it.

 

so for some reason I have to prove the actual position but you don't? Why is that?

 

we had that with Lawn & Rhodes, fans? There's nothing to say Reynolds and the other bloke won't get bored in a year or two, and bin wrexham off for a bigger fish or some baseball team. its a very short term love affair with the club so far. Lets see if he will put the hard miles in.

This still makes me chuckle, steamin'

 

Well lets use logic to work out the cause.

Actually i looked into it, this is factually incorrect.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/bradford-city-have-had-offer-from-cryptocurrency-firm-but-sale-not-imminent-3498307

In that article Rupp states


Despite various reports claiming a change of ownership is imminent, I can confirm it is not," said Rupp in a statement.

“Yesterday, I received an e-mail from a representative of the WAGMI United group with an offer to purchase Bradford City AFC.

“That is all I have received, nothing more, and no further action has taken place.”

And then WAGMI suggest that is a lie. With their statement saying they had a deal in principle and that they had had discussions since November.

This is when the solicitors got involved.

Rupp threatened legal action - both sides paid a sum to the burns unit

and then WAGMI say this afterwards

"WAGMI United thanks Stefan Rupp for his leadership in arranging this opportunity to support such an important cause. The matter is now closed and both parties can move forward and concentrate on the success of their respective ventures.”

what a grovelling statement. imagine thanking someone who lied to your face. how does that work?

lets do some more logical deduction,

for your statement to be right,

1) Rupp is lying both publicly and to the court
2) WAGMI (for reasons you cannot provide) missed an open goal to either get an apology from Rupp (Rupp did not "thank" WAGMI in his statement - don't think he even made a statement the club did and didnt even mention WAGMI at all.) or retrive some sort of compensation.
3) WAGMI being in the right still writes a statement thanking rupp for his leadership?? what sort of bootlicking job is that?
4) from points 2 and 3 WAGMI must be the weakest sorts of pushovers on the planet.

or

1) WAGMI were the liars.

all of my proof is here yet you have none.

so again all you have done is taken a standpoint to say I am not right without a single shred of evidence - just on possibility. is it not possible WAGMI are run by Lizard people? are you going to prove they are actual humans? or are you going to stop being contrarian for the sake of it?

 

Interest in out club has to be substantial. That is discussions about how much our club might cost, how much can they bring to either joint share or fully own the club. Developing the club must be part of the plan. That is what I call substantive discussions and not I fancy buying your club. Due diligence has to be rigorous.

 

I certainly does, but it’s how and where you spend it. Herr Rupp isn’t short of a bob or two, but I haven’t seen him parting a few quid in the local pub with the fans. Anyway, I think you know where I’m coming from. Even the “it’s only PR” sceptics, surely can’t help to be impressed by how the club is moving rapidly in the right direction. Look at the WAGAMI guys - on paper much richer than RR, but they’ve made a complete pigs ear of their Crawley takeover.

 

I don’t think they will and I reckon at some point they won’t need to fund it .............. they are clever I don’t know how much they paid for the club but I bet increased attendances .......... a tv documentary ( brilliant by the way ) and major sponsorship will have put plenty of funds into the coffers ............ I actually hope they continue because what they did in the documentary would have put a lot of owners to shame ............. the masses wanted Parkinson gone but they held there nerve and got there rewards so good in them

 

Anti Rupp brigade do me a favour you know as well as every other Bradford City fans this guy got into purchasing OUR club blind, we talk a lot of due diligence with regard the purchase they wanted to make, yet fail to do the same due diligence with a co-partner (in name only Rahic had no brass) maybe just maybe if he had taken more time out to run a few back ground checks over Edin like he did WAGMI we wouldn't be where we are today.
He's doing the right thing by us because it was through his lack of understand why we are in our present predicament, for months people were trying to tell him the situation at OUR club and he basically waved it away and continued backing Rahic, I know it's not liked by some on here but if it was not for John Dewhirst and another Bradford City fan being allowed to have a one on one with Rupp God know where OUR club could have been.
I have been told many times Rupp he is a very honourable I have no doubts he is, one a guy who was owed money run up by Edin and his family, Rupp wanted to recompense his business but the Bradford City mad fan wouldn't allow him to do so, so he left his staff a very big tip shall we say, so for me he is trying to put right Edins wrongs, which untimely were his reasonability as the owner, but far from anti Rupp he's here until some one meets his valuation of OUR club.

 

Is that not him learning from his mistakes then?

to blame a guy for being duped when his whole bit was just provide the money does smell slightly of victim blaming.

And it sounds like you want him gone.. im pretty sure you’ve been a fan for a while. Are you really trying to suggest he is that poor of an owner? Arent we in the exact same bucket if not better than when Mark Lawn had the club? What was our budget then, pennies?

 

And so he should be but lets not brush over the fact he is instrumental in where we are as a club, be that he has been a part of our recent poor history with regards appointing managers.
I don't think I've said I want him gone in fact I've praise him for what he's done to cover for Edins mistakes/mess but you can't get away from the fact he gave Edin free rein with regards running OUR club and took almost all he told him as fact.
Yes you could say I've been round a while but what has what happend at our club got to do with the Rhodes/Lawn area, or what budget the manager under them had to spend, just shows you what can be achieved over a number of seasons with the right manager in place, when Rhodes and Lawn left we were in touch of being a Championship club, Stuart who by the way neither Edin or Rupp had a clue who he was apart from the incident when he fell off the car during the promotion celebrations at Valley Parade who then took us a stage further but failed at Wembley, and just what did our owners do, broke that very good squad up by not doing what Millwall had done after their previous Wembley Final against Barnsley and investing in better player to get them over the line the following season.
With regards finance Rupp has done what he needed to do to stop his purchase dropping any further within the football pyramid, Ryan has openly stated its his and his teams intentions to have us self sufficient something we struggled to be under Rhodes and Lawn if they do achieve that then our owner will have even less of a reason to put money into the club.

 

Sometimes we need to let things go bronco.. It was nearly six years ago…

to defend Rupp, that was Rahic. Once Rupp woke up and actually realised what was going on the club since then has been on a upward yet gradual trajectory. If it had happened again since then fire away give him hell.

hes getting flak for ultimately believing someone and being manipulated to. None of those things you mentioned were his idea. Personally since then hes done a decent job. Do i think another owner could come in and be a bit more spendy yes of course. But is he a bad owner? Not at all.

You see west brom owner taking loans on the club to keep himself.. reading breaching rules and wigan too… Rupps not a bad owner and doesn't need a mark against his name, especially from something that happened six years ago.

So no matter what he does he loses. Sounds like you want him to invent time travel and go back to 2017…

 

I had very high hopes for the new owners, Rupp reported to be worth £100m + and a partner "who knew football" fortunately they got lucky in their first season at the club Stuart getting us to Wembley I bet Rupp couldn't believe his luck mixing with the toffs at Wembley with his Claret & Amber scarf on, Edin convincing him it was mostly his doing not McCalls, what's worse is Rupp believed Edin and was quite happy to see Stuart walk as that was what they'd asked Stuart to do, so although it might be history he was very much a major partner in that period and has been with regards the last 5 or so years.

"Once he woke up", that's the whole point he didn't wake up, Rupp was backing Edin and believing although we were on the slide Edin would turn it around, didn't he see where we were in the league table, unfortunately when you have the major share holder who knows little/nothing about running a football club it wasnt difficult to see how Edin got away with what he did talk about the blind leading the blind.

What do you mean "None of those things you mentioned were his idea" the man backed Edin in every way possible, until a couple of fans got Rupps ear, why would I be bothered about West Brom or Wigan, lets stick to our owner, are you far real "Sounds like you want him to invent time travel and go back to 2017" I don't believe anything I've post were incorrect now if you want to wipe his slate clean I don't have a problem with that but lets not try and distracted from the fact that since he bought our club we have gone backwards, maybe when he gets us back to where we were as a club when he purchased us he'll get a bit of slack from fans.

 

Do you get what i mean about the Anti-Rupp brigade now?

Everything you hold him to account to was not his idea nor did he okay it.

He did not come up with the idea to bin off the Wembley squad.
He did not have the idea to watch training sessions with the team
he did not hate McCall having the popularity that he had.

I think you are looking for someone to blame regarding the club. Literally his only job at the time was to sign the cheques.

You do realise that the reason it took so long for Rupp to wake up was because Rahic was feeding him lies so didn’t believe what the fans were saying.

if he really was as nasty as you make out we wouldnt be improving would we? We have gone backwards that is true but we are moving forwards thats why I am happy with him. He could have very easily sold us to basket cases and sent us to none league. At least give him some credit.

 

Also seems like you are blaming him for not meeting your expectations.

as an aside here is his statement on Rahic leaving,


“The time for change has come and this marks the beginning of a new chapter for the club,” said Rupp.






“The people of Bradford deserve much, much better.

“I will do everything in my power to wash away the dreadful memories of the last 12 months and consign them to the history books for good.

“I have invested significantly in the club over the past two seasons and will continue to do so.“

Do you think his plan was to relegate the club and spend £3,000,000 over budget? To me it looks like he is glad to see the back of Rahic.

 

Right just so you understand Rupp believed everything Edin told him, he backed Edin with regards asking Mccall to walk, McCall even quoted it, or are you not aware of that.
What watching training has to do with it I don't know, he was rarely here to watch training, Edin was the guy at training trying to pal up with fans, and he was the first CEO to make an office for himself at Rawdon Meadows so he could keep an eye on McCall with regards the German rubbish he'd brought in.
I agree I don't believe Rupp hated Stuarts popularity, some thing neither he or Edin could ever achieve no matter what they brought to the club.
Your twisting what I've posted I'm not trying to find a scapegoat his time before he brought Julian back and now Ryan at the helm was a bloody disaster, it looks like Ryan has been given his backing and rightly so but as Ryan has stated many times they speak most day on the phone.
You agree with my then with regards this reply "You do realise that the reason it took so long for Rupp to wake up was because Rahic was feeding him lies so didn’t believe what the fans were saying" again you fail at accept it was two Bradford City fans who got him to wake up.
Where have I made out he's nasty stop making stuff up I'll repeat I've actually praised him with regards his time during Covid etc, I've blamed him for not having enough input to realise what Edin was doing and take Edins word for everything being dandy, if a ship goes down who gets the blame not the cabin boy but the Captain and like it or not Rupp is the Captain.
You say his job at the time was to sign cheques well more fool him, in fact more fool him for taking the likes of Edin on without any background checks, and taking the word of his bank manager laughable.

 

Oh dear you really are being silly now just where do you come to that conclusion, of course he's delighted to see the back of Edin he was robbing him blind, I was amazed he didn't take him to court for his dodgy dealing at the club.

At the time I was one of many Bradford City fans who hoped a self made man would finance our club going forward hardly by myself, followed up with this comment, Rupp has invested significantly in the club over the last two years and will continue to do so, shame he didn't invest when we were so near becoming a Championship side.

 

The only thing Rupp did wrong was to let Edin do what he wants and for a successful businessman that was fooking poor indeed .......... it’s like me pumping £5 million into a club and allowing a bloke I hardly know run it ............ surly a businessman would be all over it ?????

there was various stages that he should have been all over Edin
Parky leaving
Our sudden fall from play off contenders to midtable crap
Collins being appointed

god knows what would have happened had City fans not intervened ............ still let’s get it right the Twit ( Edin) conned us all when numbers should have dropped when he failed to back McCall they didn’t .............when he promised us a new head coach and he brought in a yes man the numbers stayed the same

and let’s be right had we beat Millwall then that rat Edin may have walked away with millions so there is that to be thankful about ...........

Like I have said in loads of occasions Rupp has made errors but he cannot be blamed for this season if we fail that’s down to Hughes and nobody else